The Basic Income - A solution for the European Union's imbalances? | 54 comments (54 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

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Ok social insurance taxes are quite high here, too. Income tax is definitively lower for 24,000 Euro income per year. (And actually I don't consider 2000 Euro per month as pretty crappy. A net income of ~16kEuro per year is close to the median income in Germany, and considerably more than phd students typical income.)
However, e.g. the retirement social insurance afterwards pays out according to what was paid in before. So there is some reason to keep in place some of those contributions.

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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:22:11 PM EST
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Your average Swedish metalworker will earn about 2700 euros a month while someone unqualified (only high school dimploma) working in a hospital or taking care of the elderly would make about 2000, or even a bit less. So comparatively it's pretty crappy.

Compared to university students it's great though as we get 800 a month and are supposed to repay two thirds of that, with interest. But at Sovereign(!) rates. ;)

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by Starvid on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:31:16 PM EST
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Huh, at least university students get a stipend of some sort.

In Spain a lot of people with higher education degrees make less than €1000. (See the Spanish wiki)

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 01:35:35 PM EST
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Well, normal students in Germany get only loans from the gov't, when their parents are really short of money. I spoke of phd students, who already have master degrees.

And metal workers in Germany are as well paid very well, when they are working in big companies. But most people don't work in big companies or not in well unionised sectors with mostly permanent staff, that needs specialist skills.

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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:00:52 PM EST
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Phd students in Sweden get anything between 800 euros in some form of tax and benefits excempt stipend (humanities and slave labor insitutions - often found at medical faculties) and ~2500 euros as a proper wage (engineering phds at smaller colleges).

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:26:01 PM EST
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