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Well, normal students in Germany get only loans from the gov't, when their parents are really short of money. I spoke of phd students, who already have master degrees.

And metal workers in Germany are as well paid very well, when they are working in big companies. But most people don't work in big companies or not in well unionised sectors with mostly permanent staff, that needs specialist skills.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 02:00:52 PM EST
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Phd students in Sweden get anything between 800 euros in some form of tax and benefits excempt stipend (humanities and slave labor insitutions - often found at medical faculties) and ~2500 euros as a proper wage (engineering phds at smaller colleges).

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 at 05:26:01 PM EST
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