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The degree of literacy in this country in prior times was lower than it is now. The country has always been divided into the "educated" classes and the "working" classes.

Notice that the majority of top politicians and business leaders still come from the educated class, the rare exception is the true (or quasi-) populist like Sarah Palin.

In point of fact most people use very little of what they learn in school. When was the last time that the typical person needed algebra, or chemistry in their work or daily life?

That's why I emphasized the importance of John Dewey's ideas. By working on the process of self learning people can become equipped to deal with the new things they face during their lives. This is also important if one is to be a thinking citizen in a democracy.

The proof that most of what is taught in school is useless can be seen in the TV show "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?" where contestants have to answer questions based upon material in first to fifth grade classes. They are helped in their efforts by actual fifth graders, who tend to know more of the answers.

Is it important that you remember the names of the moons of Mars?

Of course much of education is aimed at training docile workers and easily led consumers, but this doesn't happen if parents demand more. They don't because they don't demand more out of life for themselves, so see no need for their children.

Politicians are always expressing concern that families be able live a comfortable (material) life with a good job and health and retirement security. They never discuss leading a fulfilling life or a creative one. There's no demand.

This is one of my continual themes when I discuss (repeatedly!) the need to transition from a "stuff" based society to a sustainable one based upon other goals - like more community involvement, sports, arts, etc.

I realized yesterday that one can spend hours per day perfecting one's skills at a musical instrument and spend no money at all. Obviously this presents a threat to a society based upon planned obsolescence.

I think I'll take up some of your concerns when I revise my essay for inclusion on my web site.

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Fri Nov 21st, 2008 at 08:44:29 AM EST
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The degree of literacy in this country in prior times was lower than it is now. The country has always been divided into the "educated" classes and the "working" classes.

Repeatedly, excerpts from high school exams-public school exams, administered to the children of working class and monyed classes 50, 75 and 100 years ago have been compared to current exams at the same grade levels. The comparison is invariably devastating.

In point of fact most people use very little of what they learn in school. When was the last time that the typical person needed algebra, or chemistry in their work or daily life?

Sounds pretty patronizing to me. Perhaps those "typicals" ought to just get their butt off to work, and forget notions above their station.
Jeez, RDF. Exposure to "advanced " ideas like algebra and critical history are what make the intellect live.
Of course much of education is aimed at training docile workers and easily led consumers, but this doesn't happen if parents demand more. They don't because they don't demand more out of life for themselves, so see no need for their children.

Clearly you did not read my diary, "Enterprise Village". Or you consider me one of those people who "--don't demand more out of life for themselves, so see no need for their children."

You waste both our times.


Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:15:45 AM EST
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I have no idea what got your dander up. I read your essay and wasn't commenting on it.

As to literacy rates here is a link to the US stats.

http://nces.ed.gov/naal/lit_history.asp#educational

There are some critics who claim that traditional measures of literacy were inadequate, that's why they now have terms like "functionally illiterate". But whatever the measure educational achievement has gone up in the US over time.

It may have stagnated in the recent past, but the effects of the large increase in immigration would have to be factored in.

In addition kids today know more than did those in earlier periods, their exposure to radio, TV and now the internet means they are more informed than in prior periods. In an earlier age when high school graduation was achieved by the minority it was possible for the curriculum to be more rigorous (although whether this is true is also open to debate, and certainly dependent upon region) schools thought nothing of having students leave before graduation.

Now there is a big push for everyone to graduate from high school. When this is combined with the idea that all students should get an "academic" diploma and that separating students by ability is unacceptable there has been a degree of dumbing down in the school districts with limited resources. Schools with more money figure out ways to get around this by use of enrichment or other supplemental programs. Even if they don't the parents send their kids to SAT prep and other programs.

I've written often on the value of education as an end in itself and as one of those activities which could be undertaken throughout life for enrichment without the need to tie it to job goals. This is another of my post-materialist suggestions.

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Fri Nov 21st, 2008 at 11:35:48 AM EST
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