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I totally share your passion for full equality, but still cannot understand the contradiction to equality in some insults that reduce humans to their differential sexual secretions, anatomy, etc.  Insulting is perfectly natural, but an insult is meant to harm by definition, so in practice
´scum´ = semen
´bag´  = vagina.

Those are in conflict with equality because they deeply exploit people´s differences and there is no valid source that will contradict general and personal experience.  For example, when the insults are turned against a loved one, --sister, partner, mother, son, daughter,-- people naturally react with anger, or worse, because they are meant to do damage.  So, if we want equality, why do we divide?

Regardless of how outnumbered I may be, I am offended by the deep rage some of those words carry and have seen their effects:  words have power that cannot be ignored.  I try to write from knowledge with experience, not for competition, so I repeat it because it is important for discourse towards any real equality.  

I hope I have measured all words properly enough to avoid unwarranted anger.  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:40:34 PM EST
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When you can't find any native speakers to back-up your interpretation of a phrase, it's time to leave it. That interpretation of scumbag is in your head, not anyone elses. Scum isn't slang for semen as far as I know, and bag isn't slang for vagina. How big a sample of far flung native speakers do you need?

You appear to be attempting to resurrect a previous argument for no reason in the face of the facts. That is trolling. Stop it.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:47:06 PM EST
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... the top of stagnant ponds. And bag would be a container, normally with a non-rigid shell.

Calling a person a scumbag would then be saying a person is offering the world a value equivalent to a bag of skin full of scum.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Nov 5th, 2008 at 04:31:41 PM EST
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Urban Dictionary supports a precious-bodily-fluids interpretation of the term, rather than a reference to algae or simple aquatic plant forms.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Wed Nov 5th, 2008 at 05:10:55 PM EST
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Apparently the use of 'scumbag' to mean 'used condom' dates from 1967 and the word didn't exist before. Scum is solid residue of a liquid. (source)

Long time no see, I'm glad we found a topic worthy of your interest.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 5th, 2008 at 05:14:51 PM EST
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However, that still leaves the absurd leap from that connotation of the term to the proposed connotation.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Nov 5th, 2008 at 06:43:20 PM EST
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Hey, DeAnander - how you been?

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 5th, 2008 at 05:49:42 PM EST
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you're....alive!

thought you were investigating green scum in davy jones' locker, your blog has been so dead in the water, and no sign of you here for months!

this place has really gone downhill since you left, everyone's using capital letters so traditionally, hope you stick around and bless us with some good lowercase, full page soliloquies again, lol.

jeez, you've been missed, welcome back!

:)

does happy summersault

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 5th, 2008 at 05:57:39 PM EST
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If they were calling the scumbag lawyer a "cunt", you'd have a point. Though I wonder if you'd have complained if they called him a "prick"?

They're carefully picking "scumbag" precisely because it isn't sexual in nature.

There aren't many really nasty insults left in English when you start pruning the sexual ones, and you can't have scumbag.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 4th, 2008 at 12:50:44 PM EST
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We've had this discussion and I simply don't recognise the inferences. You are my friend but you are wrong. I cannot change my language to accomodate invented offence.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 5th, 2008 at 06:37:57 AM EST
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