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I'd like to ask you all: have you ever had a conversation where you had a position, and the other person had a position, and you came out with your position changed?

Yes, I've had my mind completely turned around on a number of thing, though usually this happened over more than one conversation.

Still more conversations where I've been eventually met in the middle, or found a way to agree to disagree. Most conversations still don't end up like that. And I'm not doing nearly as much of the adversarial style of debating that I did, as I found it increasingly a waste of time.

No such things as completely fresh minds, though, with all due respect ;-)

But rhetoric is often about playing to the audience as there are a lot of people (not on this blog, I think, but in general there are) whose opinions are impervious to informal logic. Mr. Klaus was a fun example where I think that worked out, personally.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 at 07:46:37 AM EST

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