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One more thing that I'm not sure can be dealt with by a conversation (=with words):

TED | TEDBlog: Stroke of insight: Jill Bolte Taylor on TED.com

And I lost my balance and I'm propped up against the wall. And I look down at my arm and I realize that I can no longer define the boundaries of my body. I can't define where I begin and where I end. Because the atoms and the molecules of my arm blended with the atoms and molecules of the wall. And all I could detect was this energy. Energy. And I'm asking myself, "What is wrong with me, what is going on?" And in that moment, my brain chatter, my left hemisphere brain chatter went totally silent. Just like someone took a remote control and pushed the mute button and -- total silence.

And at first I was shocked to find myself inside of a silent mind. But then I was immediately captivated by the magnificence of energy around me. And because I could no longer identify the boundaries of my body, I felt enormous and expansive. I felt at one with all the energy that was, and it was beautiful there.

I have had a similar experience--the chatter switching off.  But...how to explain it?  There is still an I...how could there not be if she says:

"...at first I was shocked to find myself inside of a silent mind."

But...there is (in my experience) a difference (certainly qualitative) between the Chatter-I (which I associate with the doomed-to-die work-out-how-to-survive-as-long-as-possible ego) and....I suppose it's what is meant by consciousness--certainly there is active intelligence and it has a locus (I am still I)...but...how can I be thinking if I am not thinking...in words?  Well...(other people's experiences and their ability to describe them appreciated!)...how about:

The ego puts words into linear forms, a never ending monologue...whereas when that shuts up (or off)...it's not that there are no more expressions (which can be formed by words)...rather, there is now the "entire conversation of sensory input"...and "I" am part of that.  The ego-I is an adjunct, a narrative overlay to the film, whereas the I-here is a character who....no...no...

I have never had an experience where language completely disappeared but I have read about them--in the model proposed this would be 'pure' right brain activity--

Can language (the kind I'm using here) be piggybacking on...whatever came before language?

(Cue experts!)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 at 08:41:50 PM EST

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