i think england's trauma from nearly losing WW2 prevents many english from trusting 'the continent' for anything but summer hideaways and a change of cuisine.

as time goes by, the old ones with the memories die off, but at this rate it'll take another couple of generations, especially with active sabotage from over the atlantic and murdoch moulding public opinion.

if america goes down, england may re-evaluate its loyalties... i can't see anything less shifting the incredible animosity some have there for europe, whipped up for decades by the yellow press.

as long as there are the likes of mandelson representing england, maybe many of the feelings are mutual.

what pisses most people off that i talk to about it is that england has a superiority complex and wants to have it both ways, in when convenient, and out when not. unsustainable, no matter how clever-clever brit pols play it...

whole hearted IN, or go play poodle, till the people see through the media looking glass and would show up for a yes-vote in referendum.

till then... what they offer seems mostly interference and subversion, fickle albion!

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