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Your approach requires:
a) starting from scratch.
b) that people are rational and angelic.
c) that the interest of the "new man" will focus on the compliance with the environment.
d) and so on.

This is not possible. Experience proves it.

by PerCLupi on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 01:09:49 PM EST
Nothing wrong with a)

I partly live in a b) world with townspeople all around me running and taking part in drama, sports, political, gardening or many other clubs. They don't do it for money. They do it because they support the society in which they live. They like living.

It may be that doing something altruistically is irrational. But it could be described as angelic. But better described as putting smiles on other peoples faces.

c) could work for the same reason that people do other altrusitic thngs such as taking part in the non-work part of society, as above. People see such actvities as social maintenance. I see know reason why environmental maintenance could not become equally important.

However, this is a Finnish experience. Finland reminds me of England when I was a kid. Nature is all around. People are naturally 'good' - a sort of pragmatic Lutheranism. It may not be like this where you are. In Finland, experience proves that it IS possible.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 02:30:17 PM EST
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Sorry. I believe that I have not managed to explain well.
by PerCLupi on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 03:17:02 PM EST
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This is a Finnish experience. In Finland, experience proves that it IS possible.

Is this as a personal or group experience, or as a rule regulating the entire Finnish society?

What I have said does not respond to my feelings or ideas, but to reflection on how to generalize the eco-socialism for the whole of society worldwide.

by PerCLupi on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 03:31:50 PM EST
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It is not a rule, it is unwritten - but I could guess various reasons why it has developed as a component of Finnish society. It is most visible in smaller town societies - say 20 - 80,000. In the Finnish metropolii my guess would be a smaller per capita social investment. Remote, purely agricultural societies rarely reach critical social mass - though the church may still play a community role in these.

So this altriuism seems to fbetter lourish in certain sized communities. I assume that neighbourhoods can act as a flocks.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 03:43:25 PM EST
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