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I had no time for your diary and I'll be off-line until Sunday afternoon, but for now one video:

M83 - In The Cold I'm Standing - 04:05

(BTW, what time signature is this?)

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Apr 11th, 2008 at 04:35:06 PM EST
Whatever, another:

Muse - Map Of The Problematique - 04:15

(I can't decide if this is 4/4 or something more complex in the first two minutes)

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Apr 11th, 2008 at 04:52:14 PM EST
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Ah yes, interesting--it's eight beats but the emphases are shifted from the normal "One two THREE four".  I love the non-moving riff which starts at 0:16, he doesn't keep it up for long but I've always enjoyed it when the solo doesn't move note, everything else moves around it.  When he starts playing other notes (0:24) it reminds me of New Order--sort of (vaguely!) the same idea at the start of Everything's Gone Green (4:20)

Back to the Muse track, the four beat kicks in clear at 0:40 when the snare starts hitting the three--One two THREE four One two THREE four--

Then the singer starts up (reminds me of Bono!)--

And then a great drum flourish at 2:11--I wonder what it would sound like if they'd kept that rhythm through the song--and dropped the drums while he was singing, just used the opening keyboard riff...heh!

Towards the end the drummer starts whacking a cymbal on the first beat: CRASH and boom and WHACK and boom--

ABout 3:56 he starts doing things with his hi-hat--but there's that snare on three (I think I'm picky about snares on three!--hard to do without slowing...something....heh....I'd call that snare on three the 'commercial' aspect of the song's sound world.)

And then the drummer gets to whack out to the end!

(On a re-listen, the drumbeat before the snare starts playing reminds me of Killing Joke)

Here's an example of the way I like a four beat: Lots going on with the bass drum, syncopation, that kinda thing, and a speedy snare on the three--or maybe I just got it all wrong!

Iggy Pop - I'm Bored (2:43)--four four kicks in at 0:16



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Apr 11th, 2008 at 07:30:14 PM EST
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Yeah, I like that one--reminds me a bit of Sigur Ross but without drumming--so I'd say this was 'ambient' by which I mean 'no specific beat patterns'--I think it's overall based on a four, which I worked out (decided) by trying to count the chord changes, see if there were four chords spread over a long time scale, but I think it's a bit more complicated than that, esp. at the end.

Another band it reminded me of, though on a re-listen the connection is the guitar sound and it may just be in my head--is My Bloody Valentine.

First up, To Here Knows When (4:43), which is a four beat but as the song progresses the beats get drowned in washes of guitar.

And then, as a contrast, from their earlier days, Kiss (3:51) I think the intro count goes:

5 3 4
5 3 5
5 3 6
5 3 8

(could be wrong!)

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On a technical note, are you having any problems with videos stopping then starting then stopping then starting?  The same thing happens over at youtube--some videos run okay, but others keep stopping/starting(and it seems to be at all different times of day and night.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Fri Apr 11th, 2008 at 06:58:30 PM EST
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