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It's interesting in how the left are much less successful at creating the narratives on their terms than the right.

It's always worth to point out that this has not always been that way. Currently, the Right is rolling back progress - progress earlier Leftists managed to achieve not without resistance from the then Right.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 04:09:48 PM EST
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Did the left at some point just declare victory left, or something?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 04:14:58 PM EST
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I mean declared victory and left...

Preview is your friend.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 04:30:34 PM EST
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I think everyone assumed that the post-WWII consensus was a given, and was never going to change.

Mission accomplished.

I don't think anyone on the Left was expecting the ferocity of the counter-attack. It's taken a couple of decades just to come to terms with the fact that it happened at all, never mind what to do about it.

I partly blame the academics and the intellectuals we've had for the last couple of decades. Instead of making Thatcherism and Reaganism look juvenile and ridiculous they've mostly been more interested in playing intellectual games like deconstruction, apparently with the delusional belief that this is somehow profoundly influential, rather than spectacularly irrelevant.

Which is why the Left has lost the universities. There's a bit of token claptrap Culture Theory on many media courses in the UK, but in terms of political influence - forgedaboutit.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 04:39:00 PM EST
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Can you elaborate on they way in which "the left has lost the universities"? In what sense did it have them before?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 04:55:30 PM EST
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Maybe it was more of an Anglo thing, but from the 70s onwards you very nearly couldn't do any of the humanities without being exposed to left-wing critiques and positions.

Right wing faculty positions weren't common, except possibly in science and engineering, and there they were never talked about in class.

The London School of Economics used to be a bastion of the far left. That was partly because of radical student action towards the end of the sixties, but partly because the culture was already pre-existing from the 30s onwards, and being an intellectual meant you were almost certainly a communist or communist sympathiser.

From the start of the 90s MBA culture started to erode that, and now it's becoming formulaic and marginalised, and is being replaced with a much more small-minded and pinched entrepreneurial spirit.

This has done so much damage to universities that the current meme is - why bother? You'll get a better paid job more quickly with vocational experience.

Which is quite true. But there's no longer much sense of going to university to learn, or question, or challenge - it's strictly about finding yourself a shelf on the job market in the hope that someone rich and important notices you.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 05:09:45 PM EST
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I was really pleased to realise with the Open University that they deliver their social policy course with a strong left wing narrative.  On the student's feedback page I noticed a number of complaints that the teaching was too biased and militant and refused to allow 'modern thinking' from students on the course!
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 04:55:39 AM EST
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It was specially awful in the 70's...indeed.. it was like deserting the battlefield...they completely forgot what they should have known about narratives,a bout narrrative feelings, and about media, and about..well about attacking the other narrative.

As you said, they thought fact contained the narrative...most accademics at that time would have failed to explain any story-telling coherently...

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 05:32:49 PM EST
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I remember a documentary on politics and music a decade ago, which saw the change (in the US at least) at a very specific point: the success of the more private-personal songs of The Carpenters, from May 1970, just after the Kent State shootings. (The argument was more detailed than that, mentioning a lot of parallel processes, but this stuck in me.) This giving-up however was not in victory, but defeat: failure to stop the Vietnam War, and the winding down of the spirit of 1968.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 06:00:29 PM EST
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they've mostly been more interested in playing intellectual games like deconstruction, apparently with the delusional belief that this is somehow profoundly influential, rather than spectacularly irrelevant.

and the right is going to seize advances in neuroscience for its narratives (We are greedy killing machines, therefore, we must legislate this and codify it culturally) while the left ignores what is happening by clinging to its obsolete century old theories.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 12:09:25 AM EST
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Social interpretations of neuroscience.. or the fact that we look for has right-wing narative is quite dangerous.

the number of false theories about how the brain works is astonishing... the number of DNA nonsense you can read in the major newspapers is amazing...

And there is noone out there fighting back..why brain plasticity suddenly dissappeared from major media? why the fact that DNA cannt code anything relevant int he brain because it doe snot ahve aenoug information never expained?  because most of the scientists either beleive the interpretation crap or just do not know what it is hitting them.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 05:08:45 AM EST
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If I understand you -- there may have been a point in the early seventies that was a zenith, when a rising large generation in the wealthier parts of the world was feeling sure it had flung the old order arse over tit and joined forces with a workers' movement that was far from past its sell-by date.

Too cool, too easy, too short-lived.

A good friend in those days never stopped telling me that the backlash was going to be terrible.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 04:58:56 PM EST
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Your friend was a genius..a t least comapred with most people.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 05:33:46 PM EST
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He was. Of the "it ain't paranoia if they're out to get you" kind.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 05:46:35 PM EST
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What is your friend up to these days?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 06:14:56 PM EST
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If I knew I'd have him on ET.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 05:08:50 AM EST
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Yes.. we moved the future.. ans now when we are gettign to benefits of years pushing world poverty, hunger and war as ethic world issues,and the generation with this mindset got into midle-levels of power we see that the poverty rates, infatility rates, adn wars are at an all time low... Just imagine what the rigth will get in ten years if we do not fight back.

The left declared victory and left...because things were self-evident.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sat May 10th, 2008 at 04:28:02 PM EST
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