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Oh, and for some reason my internet is painfully slow this evening.  I have not been able to view the video clip.  I'm afraid I don't get your reference at the end.

On the subject of Obama and Webb, I think Webb issued a powerful invitation in that first WSJ article.  And it seems to me that Obama in some sense accepted the invitation with that famous speech on race.  Can you imagine what it might do for the whole issue of race, particularly issues of black and white, if the two of them continued that conversation?

We all bleed the same color.

by budr on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 12:04:03 AM EST
The reference at the end...

First, the silly one.

Phil Mitchell:

(A character in Eastenders, a soap opera known in our house as, "Gli Sfigatoni"--okay, maybe not ;)

The other reference is Webb's to people in the administration who would like to attack Iran.  As I understood him, he was saying (my paraphrase) "We need controls to make sure they CAN'T start something."

To me, he comes across as the soldier on an upward learning curve--the anti-McCain.  With the Homeland Security votes, I wondered if there isn't a plan to hammer the criminals in the republican party a la Eliot Ness (the fantasy Ness in my head, of course!)--I've been thinking that there's a growing Mafia domination of processes (resurgent in Italy, strong in Russia, I've heard of other mafias--all have in common: the bullet to the back of the head as business tactic)...to defeat a Mafia, civil society needs strong and efficient law enforcement--that may have just been a Friday night flash, though.

If Drew is reading, could you say some more about Webb's voting base?  I assumed Webb represented an "enlightened redneck" position--and a black man and a red neck vs. John McCain (who is--what--heh!  I just checked, it says he has scots-irish and english ancestry)...I thought "The Obama Webb"--

The idea being that, okay, the racists and the "Oh my god they've got a bomb.  Kill them all, now!"--those who'd think "Obama Webb" described some terrorist masterplan--those groups can coalesce around McCain--

--but there is the military vote, and the families of the military, I don't know how those numbers work out; also, isn't Webb the kind of person (I'm assuming that his positions are genuine, something I don't get from Obama--whose programme as I saw it seemed weak)

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Energy

"Well, I don't believe that climate change is just an issue that's convenient to bring up during a campaign. I believe it's one of the greatest moral challenges of our generation. That's why I've fought successfully in the Senate to increase our investment in renewable fuels. That's why I reached across the aisle to come up with a plan to raise our fuel standards... And I didn't just give a speech about it in front of some environmental audience in California. I went to Detroit, I stood in front of a group of automakers, and I told them that when I am president, there will be no more excuses -- we will help them retool their factories, but they will have to make cars that use less oil."

-- Barack Obama, Speech in Des Moines, IA, October 14, 2007

If climate change is the greatest moral challenge, then making cars that use less oil is the very least of it--in my view...anyways....

Isn't there Ohio that would vote Webb over McCain?  Mix the more energetic developments in renewables--the farmers and the wind turbines; grab the developments--local jobs for local people (no racism, thank you, the time for that has passed--heh....there's a marxist undertow in that Webb states that he will--as I understand it--represent the poor--not just the white poor, hence my question to Drew--)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:36:55 AM EST
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Webb's voting base as far as I recall was a solid turnout in Northeast VA and enough  whittling down the margins in VA beach and inland VA to help him squeak through.

I'd rather he stay in the Senate.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 11:48:02 AM EST
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Right.  Basically to win Virginia you need a huge take in the DC suburbs, and you then need to do well between Richmond and Virginia Beach.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:23:09 PM EST
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The possible combination of O and W is intriguing. And I particularly like the approach of attempting to heal the S-I and A-A divide. That alone would do a huge good for this country--and by extension the world at large--given that the wound has been festering for a century and a half.

I suspect that if you go into enough detail, you may find that Obama has Scots-Irish ancestry, too. He seems to have everything else (including EEEK! DickCheney), according to some stories recently.

But then, many Americans have very complicated ancestry if you track it back far enough.

by Mnemosyne on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 02:27:16 PM EST
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When I posted my first comment on this diary I thought it would be the first comment.  That is why I didn't respond to your content in your comment.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 12:28:20 PM EST
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The "your" refers to budr's leading comment.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 12:30:36 PM EST
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