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This type of diary is more than welcome: it exposes some information not covered in other media channels. Also, what happens in the US in November 08 will have a profound effect on everybody in this world, including us Europeans. We'd better pay attention.

I also regard almost all of the US based ETers to be 'European' in outlook.

The objections written here earlier referring to US diaries are not usually based on a single diary, but on the effect of many simultaneous US diaries moving the 'image' of the site westwards. The question is how many US diaries is too many?

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 02:21:27 PM EST
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Thanks for the vote of confidence.  I am well aware that American affairs seem to take up a lot of real estate here at ET, especially during the election season, often to the detriment of more, ahem, European topics.  

It is a simple fact that what we do affects the rest of the world, too often of late in harmful ways.  I for one would like to see a much more coherent and powerful EU, something like a United States of Europe, better able to counterbalance the enormous and unwarranted influence of the US in world affairs.

And yes, I think my outlook is a lot more European than most Americans.  I think of myself as a child of the Enlightenment, cousin to those Europeans who for the first time in what, two millenia, raised the lamp of reason as at least equal to the law of the church.  I think in many ways the US as a nation is also such a child and such a cousin, though there are those in our body politic who would rather extinguish that lamp and return us to something closer to the feudal past of Europe.  I find moral support here in resisting their efforts.

We all bleed the same color.

by budr on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 03:15:24 PM EST
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budr, are you an interested supporter of Webb, or are you in so way affiliated?  You seem so "organized" about it all.  (Forgive me if the question seems impertinent, it is not meant so.  Me just interested to know.)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 03:31:08 PM EST
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I am an interested supporter, for reasons I have tried to explain in my comments.  I see something very special and very promising in his political career.  His is the very first campaign I ever contributed money to.  I am not affiliated in any formal or organized way, though I can see how it might seem so.  I have been hoarding web links and relevant quotes by and about Webb since he first got my attention with that WSJ article a couple of years ago.  Sorry if I seem a little over the top about Webb.  As I said, I am less than objective about all of this.

We all bleed the same color.
by budr on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 04:49:59 PM EST
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Thank you very much for answering so.  Your help in delineating who Webb is has helped us alot.  I'm frankly very glad to know you are doing this because of your beliefs, and not because you are the Webb web presence.

In fact, from your comments i have learned much, and am beginning to understand how valuable his voice, in amurkan politics, has become.

Despite our differences, i can now easily say i respect him.  While before, i only supported him so he could send  the previous senator to the dogs.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:25:48 PM EST
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I very much like his stance on Iraq--get out--and his stance on Iran--defence, not offense.

For the rest, he comes across as the kind of person who could be interested in Energise America, or other largescale projects where a lot of the thinking-through (the research) is in place--

AR Geezer--heh, I hope I remember this right!--wrote that he would prefer Webb to stay in the Senate.  I found a clip where Webb, when asked would he run for Vice President, chuckled, he didn't say no, but he...

...ach.  Maybe it's another media trick--searching around, there he is--the maverick intelligent one, we found an intelligent politician who will fight for the poor--

So, I'd be very interested in....well, if he's intelligent, I'd expect him not to know what to do about the US's coming energy ills--I wouldn't even expect him to know that ills were a-coming.  But...if he's the mould breaker, and Obama may be a mould breaker, though I saw some intense christian thing that was posted here (I think)--

Well, Jesus, Mary, God, Allah, the un-nameable--one of the questions about Obama is: "Is he a christian--or is he really a muslim?"

So Webb maybe galvanising people, a minority in the US--I don't know the percentages.  40% max?  Or is it much higher?

For context, in the UK I have heard the following and expect it to be a well-accepted argument:

"Well, Gordon Brown."

ME: "Yeah, that 10% tax thing.  What a complete git!"

"Yes, I've decided I'll vote for Cameron next time."


Ah!  Paranoia!

In January, at Rule .303:

Rule .303: Vice President Jim Webb?

It is true that Jim Webb would absolutely hate running for Vice President. He's not a glad-handing, baby-kissing kind of guy.

The end of the article:

Rule .303: Vice President Jim Webb?

Virginia Republicans may jeer but really they should push for a Vice President Webb more than anyone else. After all, that would mean that his seat would be up for grabs in 2010 rather than 2012. It all sounds a little far-fetched but then nobody seemed to believe me this time last year when I was telling anyone who would listen that Jim Webb was going to run against and defeat George Allen in a Senate race. So let's wait and see.

At this point, I'm talking about things I've never experienced except via media of some kind, so...hmmm...hey!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:53:50 PM EST
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John Edwards in particular would be complimented nicely by Webb. They have similar messages of economic populism and share vocal concern for the well-being of poor, rural whites. Both are outspoken opponents of the war in Iraq.

Now that would have done my heart good.

The more I see of Obama the more I like him, but he was not and is not my first choice for Prez.  My head waited for Gore long after my heart had settled on Edwards, and he would still be my first choice, not because of race or gender, but because his populist message about Two Americas was closest to my own values.  When Edwards dropped out I was equally lukewarm about Obama and Hillary.  Everything I have seen since then has made me think more of Obama and less of Hillary.

We all bleed the same color.

by budr on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 08:25:47 PM EST
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If you want to know more about Jim Webb from an unbiased source, I highly recommend The Nightingale's Song by Robert Timberg.  It's a profile of five US Naval Academy graduates, Jim Webb and John McCain among them, and well worth reading in its own right.

We all bleed the same color.
by budr on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:54:39 PM EST
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Oh, I probably should have made clear: my interest and support for Webb has very little to do with his prospects as a possible Obama VP, or even as a Senator from Virginia, though I am pleased by both for what they may portend.  My interest in Webb grows from the political implications of that WSJ article that I quoted first.  All the rest flows from there.

We all bleed the same color.
by budr on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:01:36 PM EST
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The money quote, which resonates with much of what has been written in this thread:

WSJ: Secret GOP Weapon: The Scots-Irish vote by JAMES WEBB on October 23, 2004

The decline in public education and the outsourcing of jobs has hit this culture hard. Diversity programs designed to assist minorities have had an unequal impact on white ethnic groups and particularly this one, whose roots are in a poverty-stricken South. Their sons and daughters serve in large numbers in a war whose validity is increasingly coming into question. In fact, the greatest realignment in modern politics would take place rather quickly if the right national leader found a way to bring the Scots-Irish and African-Americans to the same table, and so to redefine a formula that has consciously set them apart for the past two centuries.
Note that this was written 10 days before the 2004 presendential election, so it's not like Webb made this point about uniting the African-Americans and the Scots-Irish after it was clear that Obama would be the likely 2008 presidential candidate. Or maybe it was clear back then, to Webb? I was most unimpressed by Obama's keynote at the 2004 Democratic convention, but then again as a foreigner I was not part of the intended audience.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:17:02 PM EST
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I don't think that article had anything to do with presidential politics unless Webb had aspirations of his own, which was my first thought.  I wonder if Webb even knew who Obama was back then.  I didn't.  No, I think Webb's idea of a Scots-Irish/African American political realignment is his own original thinking.  That's why it got my attention.  It's first time I had read anything so close to my own thinking, and in the Wall Street Journal of all places.

We all bleed the same color.
by budr on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:19:04 PM EST
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