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The narrative that Ireland has suddenly become anti-EU or doesn't want to engage in the EU is completely false, or at least more false than other countries.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 04:04:52 AM EST
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You assume the Irish government can indefinitely enter into agreements and approve policies that will be opposed at home.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 04:56:17 AM EST
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You assume they'd be opposed at home by any substantial group. The No campaigns were boosted greatly by the requirement that they be given equal time to the Yes campaigns on-air.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 05:00:43 AM EST
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Anyway, they probably can. Not generally a deal breaker for voters, remember? Anything except expanded military cooperation would probably be fine.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 05:02:43 AM EST
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Denmark got an opt-out to the Euro in 1992, why can't Ireland get an opt-out to "common security and defence" and be done with it?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 05:05:11 AM EST
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It does have, as far as I know. Doesn't stop the No crowd saying otherwise at every referendum there has ever been.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 05:06:15 AM EST
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What happens if an opt-out is agreed and Ireland still rejects the treaty?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 10:44:47 AM EST
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<shrug> The Nice treaty will still be in place.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 10:47:16 AM EST
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So how do we kill the EU, then?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 10:51:14 AM EST
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Are we trying to?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 10:54:08 AM EST
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Some people on Wallstrom's blog are.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 11:01:13 AM EST
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Oh, well to hell with them.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 11:02:04 AM EST
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Yes, I understand that Ireland is not suddenly Anti-EU. But it would be politically rather difficult for Ireland's Prime Minister to be part of an agreement which essentially implements parts of the Lisbon Treaty after it has been rejected in a Referendum.
by rz on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 05:04:34 AM EST
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That would be on a case-by-case basis, and would depend on what part it was. I doubt that a common foreign policy would be a real problem for the government.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 05:08:35 AM EST
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Maybe I am politically out of touch, but I don't see the Irish Government approving other members engaging in enhanced cooperation on the major elements of the Lisbon treaty (excluding military/security) as a huge political problem for it.  It would probably abstain - or refuse to veto - or failing that allow weighted majority voting knowing that that would allow the proposal to fly.

The NO crowd would scream blue bloody murder - and still not get much traction in national elections - because fundamentally Ireland is pro-EU  and would get increasingly nervous if it appears Ireland is being left behind.

We have to get away from the miasma of inaction that UK euroscepticism creates.  It may actually be a good thing - from a more dynamic EU point of view - if more precedents are set  for the EU evolving by way of a leadership process whereby some countries forge ahead on key issues and others follow at their "own chosen speed".

You wouldn't see Ireland for dust as it scampers to catch up on most issues.  The real issue is with the UK - and anything which forces it to make up it's mind one way or the other on the UK can't be a bad thing.

I think its time we confronted the naysayers and forced the pace and let those who want to fall behind.  The project is too important to let it fail.  We have indulged the eurosceptics and the neo-cons for too long.


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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 06:42:23 AM EST
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Ireland could very well life happily ever after being left out of a enhanced cooperation on Foreign Policy. Maybe that suits their politics of neutrality much better.

We should stop seeing the possibility of increased cooperation between some Nations as a snub to all other Nations and more as an accommodation of all interests.

by rz on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 06:49:24 AM EST
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