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Also, Sinn Fein can only speak for themselves, not for all the 55% that voted no.

Is Cowen's list a fair representation of the common denominator to all the groups opposed to Lisbon?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 at 05:09:12 PM EST
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Cowen's list is too general to be complete. SF's is getting down to the finer points that need to be worked on. So far I like theirs more. If Cowen would be more specific, I'd like to be able to consider those. Cowen is not going to be able to get away with murkiness here.

Marie
by marie on Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 at 06:23:24 PM EST
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it is as den has already said in another comment. They only want to look constructive, but have chosen demands which can simply not be met.  
by rz on Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 at 06:29:22 PM EST
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too general to be complete

That's exactly it: the common denominator as opposed to the sum total of the demands of all the different groups who opposed the treaty.

Might as well retain the treaty of Nice.

By the way, the bit about subsidiarity and proportionality goes against your desire that the EU get involved in things like protecting the national cultural heritage as in Tara.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 at 06:36:16 PM EST
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Don´t forget that Sinn Fein opposed Nice as well.  This is the opening shot in a negotiation Sinn Fein do not have a mandate to take part in.  It sets the scene for their rejection of whatever Cowen comes back with.  Sinn Fein don´t want a success in this negotiation - they want a failure they can use as a stick to beat Cowen with at the next election - and a way forward to become the official opposition in Ireland.  They might well succed in this objective - as Fine Gael - and to an extent, labour, hardly have a raison détre anymore - they are but clinging on by force of historical memory that is rapidly fading.

gotta run - i,m on the move - sorry for hit and run comment.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 05:30:43 AM EST
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Yes, they opposed Nice but they can't strike that one down.

I think the EU should implement the rules in the Treaty of nice that say that the EU will have less than 27 Commissioners by having 26 and not having an Irish one. After all, Ireland sent none other than Charlie McCreepy to Brussels... Better not give them the chance to outdo themselves... :-P

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 05:47:22 AM EST
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McCreepy was dumped to Europe when he became unpopular in Ireland - because of his neo-lib tendencies.  Depriving Ireland of its European dumping ground would make the EU even more unpopular....

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 at 01:43:41 PM EST
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