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I call bullshit.

Identical problems with their political systems? Surely you jest. America is deeply corrupt. There is corruption, in varying degrees, in EU member states. But very few with levels anywhere near America's institutionalized corruption.

And, I have to vigorously object to offhand comments by an American relating to the Ireland vote on Lisbon as having been a wonderful thing. Especially one pretending to be from the left side of the spectrum. It is absolutely in America's interest that EU integration fail, which is why a big funding source for the No campaign in Ireland came from pro-US business elemets associated with the American military.

Seeing such shallow analyses, in view of the geopolitical context, coming form the so-called American "left" is like lecturing Europeans on income inequality or torture.  

Excuse me for calling bullshit.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Sat Jun 28th, 2008 at 01:16:26 PM EST
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How about France - very corrupt power establishment with cozy relationships to the business elite. A media even more in hock to the elite than the US media. A system of government tailor made for a war criminal who came to power in a military coup against a democratic government, and where the president is very much an elected monarch. A state where the legislature is weak, and the upper house is a travesty of democracy even worse than the US Senate. Perhaps the French should stop lecturing Americans and solve their own problems.

Or perhaps we can stop the ridiculously one sided portrayals and criticize problems in both countries without the annoying flame baiting ad patriem attacks.

by MarekNYC on Sat Jun 28th, 2008 at 05:01:59 PM EST
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I wasn't aware that tu quoque argumentation had entered into the realm of the credible.

And greatly disagree with the lack of parliamentary power your analysis supposes, see Jospin government v Chirac.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 02:07:39 PM EST
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