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My other question is why you have not used wind power in the Columbia Gorge?  I understand that it has pretty continuous wind.  Zoning? Aesthetics?

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by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 12:14:08 AM EST
... over and above zoning and aesthetics listed:
Small, propellor-type turbines have a high rotational speed, which makes them a potential disaster for birds and bats, at least. Beyond that, there are critical issues of manufacture (balancing, for instance), installation, maintenance, and monitoring (for fatigue failure among other conditions).



I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 01:29:49 AM EST
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Killing birds is also an aesthetic problem.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 11:17:04 AM EST
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Economics is the study of the material provisioning of society.

And so bird kills is an economic problem. Our economy relies on the biosphere for essential life support services. Charging around ripping out this and that thread from complex ecosystems in the expectation that no serious damage is cause by the loss of any single thread is an algorithm for finding out what it takes for the system to experience a collapse to a lower level of complexity, material and energy processing efficiency, and ability to provide life support services.

The alternative algorithm is to take ecological impacts seriously and to assess them.

High revolution wind turbines is an obvious potential risk. That's a risk that has to be assessed before a high revolution wind turbine can be put up at a site. If there are no at risk populations that can be affected ... due to, for example, altitude ... or if the risk is limited to individual bird kills but there is no risk to populations, then a permit can be issued.

OTOH, if there is a design that poses no risk of dangerous levels of bird kills ... eg, a vertical axis design that can be wire caged, as described in this diary ... that design could be issued a blanket permit, without need for further risk assessment.

But you can't just have open slather ... that is insane.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 11:49:11 AM EST
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we are in the last stages of new zoning rules here. The current draft will allow 'small-scale' wind turbines in most zones, but there is organized resistance. You may know that the Gorge per se is a National Scenic Area. Personally, I think that wind turbines are a wonderful aesthetic, but there's a sizable minority that does not.

We also have very reactive - not proactive - local 'leadership'. Another of my major projects is to change that situation this November.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (paulgspencer@gmail.com) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 11:15:28 AM EST
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