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So you are saying that the Schröder government and Clinton executed Kohl's plans?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 05:53:59 PM EST
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I'm saying that Germany haad a significant role in the violent breakup of Yugoslavia. Through financing, arming and training KLA terrorists and Croatian nationalists. It's well documented. It's a fact. Period.
by vladimir on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 05:56:57 PM EST
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That may well be, but insufficient to prove "it was all planned in advance". It's separate elements may have been planned in advance, but I don't have the impression of a particularly prescient operation.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 06:00:49 PM EST
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Um, the Iraq adventure was also "planned in advance" with no "prescience" whatsoever.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 at 03:16:08 AM EST
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All the same, would you say "It was ALL PLANNED way way before" even for the Iraq War?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 at 03:25:06 AM EST
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No, but if you said "the US establishment has wanted/planned to destroy Iraq for 20 years" it would be hard to argue the point.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 at 03:28:12 AM EST
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As a corollary, it is not entirely clear to me what and why the German establishment wanted in Yugoslavia. If it wasn't just the coincidental succession of a pro-Catholic-countries Christian Democrat mindset and opportunistic take-us-seriously center-left Atlanticism (with some successful 'taming' of the Young Wild One by Albright).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 at 04:08:40 AM EST
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what was the payoff for germany to do this?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jul 27th, 2008 at 03:01:06 PM EST
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  1. political influence
  2. economic influence and financial gain
by vladimir on Sun Jul 27th, 2008 at 04:27:06 PM EST
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