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Go, read the comments in this diary from MarekNYC, then you know, why (eastern) Europeans need NATO and why western Europeans thereby can't tell the US to get out, even of they wanted to.
There is no reason to believe that at current levels of armorisation, even French and German military would be enough to defend Europe against Russia, not to speak of the rest of the 3 times such big EU. Eastern Europeans will go nuts, when the US dissolves NATO, independent if the EU has a stronger army than Russia. With the history of the 20th century, would you, if you were a Pole, be happy to depend on the German military to secure your country from a Russian invasion? OTOH, if western Europeans will throw out the US, the eastern Europeans will cease the EU to function very well. Dissolving NATO is an issue to be done by the US, not by Europeans. And while you are right, that George Bush 41 would most likely have managed to get international support for Afghanistan without NATO, his son would not have managed. NATO thereby insures, that the US doesn't need to invest presidential brain cells in foreign policy to have a mercenary army. That's good for the US, as most recent history puts in doubt, if all US presidents always will have spare brain cells. Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers
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</ducks, runs> "Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
I don't think a decision to dissolve NATO needs to be an immediate decision. Certainly it can be decided in advance to give Europe time to prepare and increase current levels.
You think Bush II wouldn't have gotten support to go after Al Qaeda after 9/11. I disagree. For afghanistan even that idiot would have gotten support. No one doubted that Al Qaida was in Afghanistan. Remember ... most of the world didn't know what an idiot he was when 9/11 happened. That became clear later.
If the countries of Europe want to have a mutual defense treaty, that's up to them. If they don't have the military to support it then maybe they need to allocate more resources to that. We are already overmilitarised compared with realistic need, or at least sufficiently armored. You speak of the countries of Europe. Thereby my comment distinguishes between different EU countries. Never occured to you, that there are drastic differences between the interests of different countries in Europe. I think it will be to Europe'a advantage, when NATO is dissolved, but it is the US which has to announce it, for reasons given in my comment.
Seriously, have you read my comment before hitting the reply button? Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers
You said:
There is no reason to believe that at current levels of armorisation, even French and German military would be enough to defend Europe against Russia, not to speak of the rest of the 3 times such big EU.
But now you say:
We are already overmilitarised compared with realistic need, or at least sufficiently armored.
I suggest you pick one story and stick with it.
Yes I know that different countries have different interests. I'm tired of that being an excuse for why the United States needs to be involved. Figure it out among yourselves. Stop waiting for the US to take the lead in everything - including the future of NATO.
Now that Poland does believe it or trust it to happen is another thing. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
As far as I can see, the only point of NATO is to prevent an effective economic and military union of European nations sufficient to guarantee their independence. That, and allow the USA to subvert the UN and international law whenever the whim bites.
Down with NATO, sez I. And Canada should join the EU.
(where's my bucket of pixi-dust?)
Funny thing is, Canada is member of the ESA. So at least with regard to space travel, Canada is already stronger allied with Europe than with the US. Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den MenschenVolker Pispers
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