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There is a strong meme in the world, spread by a very clever man, that the umma can be restored, the insults of invasion, domination and dismissal remedied, and Islam continue on its course of redeeming the world.

The UN, NATO and world courts cannot act quickly enough to stop its spread.

The only way that sort of works is by lumping together a multitude of local movements and people with local grievances into one monolithic islamofascistic whole. In other words by making things up.

ormondotvos:

We're in an existential situation.

That being?

ormondotvos:

Now, we're dealing with the fallout. A little bit of bloodymindedness would have been a help, but now we're going to need a big hit of bloodymindedness.

Are you seriously suggesting that the US lacked bloodymindedness?

by generic on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 10:20:22 AM EST
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"lumping together a multitude of local movements and people with local grievances into one monolithic islamofascistic whole."

Worked for the colonies of Great Britain in 1776.
Worked for Hitler. Works for Bin Laden. Worked for Martin Luther. Not Islamofascism, but gathering the unhappy into a large screaming suicidal mass doesn't seem that hard. Sarah Palin comes to mind.

The real question is the level of grievance: poverty, education, health, hope. Tamin Aswary is good on this.

"Existential situation?"

Perhaps you missed the combination of energy prices, crashed housing market, bleeding of the economy into the world police force and don't forget total lifestyle greed that's dismantling the USA.

Which segues nicely into bloodymindedness. Not by the USA, but by Europe, which has sunk into impotence and dependency as its political correctness causes serious floundering about culture, ethnicity, and immigration.

Unwilling to make the effort to preserve its various national ethnicities, and unwilling to take a stand about what culture really is, and what it's based on, it's setting itself up for a battle of civilizations in each major city slum, and some entire nations.

Bloodymindedness has a meaning for me: it's the ability to act instead of denying the pressure of time in reality. The opposite is dithering, of course.

Sometimes you have to make up your mind. Israel comes to mind.

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by ormondotvos (ormond.otvosnospamgmialcon) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 10:29:14 PM EST
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What do you really know about Europe? Where do you get your information? The kind of doom scenario of civilisation-clash battles for towns and entire countries is straight out of the US ultra-neocon playbook and is a delirious specious narrative. Do you have any credible sources?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Dec 25th, 2009 at 02:11:32 AM EST
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about the need (and possibility) of mobilizing large chunks of the population today, this:


Europe, which has sunk into impotence and dependency as its political correctness causes serious floundering about culture, ethnicity, and immigration.

Unwilling to make the effort to preserve its various national ethnicities, and unwilling to take a stand about what culture really is, and what it's based on, it's setting itself up for a battle of civilizations in each major city slum, and some entire nations.

is the kind of silly [Europe.Is.Doomed™ Alert] talk that we spend a lot of time debunking here on ET and it's a pity you feel the need to bring such hopelessly wrong concepts here.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 25th, 2009 at 06:11:14 AM EST
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Perhaps you missed the combination of energy prices, crashed housing market, bleeding of the economy into the world police force and don't forget total lifestyle greed that's dismantling the USA.

No, I think we just missed the connection between all those - largely self-inflicted - issues and your putative existential threat from brown people with home-made bombs.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Dec 31st, 2009 at 01:03:59 AM EST
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