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El Supremo rebaja de 27 a 12 años la pena a Abu Dahdah y absuelve a otros tres condenados · ELPAÍS.com[Spain's] Supreme [Court] lowers the sentence of Abu Dahdah from 27 to 12 years and declares three others innocent - ElPais.com
La Audiencia Nacional en su sentencia, la primera que se dicta en España contra una célula de Al Qaeda, condenó a 18 de los 24 acusados e impuso la máxima pena, 27 años, al líder del grupo, Abu Dahdah. Para condenar a Abu Dahdah por el delito relacionado con el 11-S el Tribunal argumentó que éste "conocía los siniestros planes de inmediata ejecución" de los atentados en EE UU y "los asumió como propios, siendo puntualmente informado de los preparativos que antecedieron a los ataques perpetrados contra las Torres del World Trade Center de Nueva York y contra el Pentágono". Respecto a Alony, consideró probado que ayudó a varios miembros de Al Qaeda, a sabiendas de que lo eran, "para obtener de esos individuos exclusivas y enriquecedoras informaciones" sobre esta organización.[Spain's] National Court in its sentence [now being appealed], the first given in Spain against an Al Qaeda cell, convicted 18 of the 24 defendants and imposed the highest penalty, 27 years, on the group's leader Abu DahDah. To sentence Abu Dahdah for the crime related to 9/11, the court argued that he "was aware of the sinister plans of imminent execution" for the strikes on the US and "assumed them as his own, being timely informed of the preparations preceding the attacks on the WTC towers in New York and on the Pentagon". Regarding Alouni, [the court] considered proven that he helped various Al Qaeda members, knowing that they were, "in order to obtain from these individuals exclusive and profitable informations" on the organization.
La Audiencia afirmó en su sentencia que Alony, el único periodista que consiguió entrevistar a Osama Bin Laden tras el 11-S, no pertenecía a la célula liderada por Abu Dahdah, pero que "colaboró" con este grupo ayudando "de manera determinante" a varios de sus miembros. ...The [National] Court stated in their sentence that Alouni, the only journalist who succeeded in interviewing Osama Bin Laden after 9/11, didn't belong to the cell led by Abu Dahdah, but he "cooperated" with this group helping "in a decisive way" several of its members. ...

Deciding on this appeal, Spain's Supreme Court upheld the 7-year sentence on Alouni for collaborating with a terrorist organisation.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 06:50:47 PM EST
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That was in 2006. Articles from back then wrote that Alouni's lawyer wants to go one higher to the European court -- but can't find anything newer in English- or German-language sources. Can you in Spanish?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 06:54:04 PM EST
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That was the result of a search I conducted for news in ElPais.com about Alouni. The most recent one is this one, form 2006. El Pais even has a special aggregator page about him.

I see no reason why Alouni couldn't appeal to the European Court, but there seems to be nothing in the press about him after 2006.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 06:59:56 PM EST
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Then the same as elsewhere. In the meantime, I found however that there was to be an appeal to SPain's Constitutional Court, too -- that should come first doesn't it? They may refer to this in the sole post-2006 article I found now:

MFA Press Release Admin Page

June 27, 2008

...Mr Phil Lawrie, Al-Jazeera's head of global distribution...

...He withheld comment on Mr Alouni's case as it was still under appeal, but noted that Mr Al-Hajj was released last month without trial.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 07:17:36 PM EST
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Yes, an appeal to the Constitutional Court would come first, but only on the grounds that Alouni's fundamental rights have been violated.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 07:31:37 PM EST
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Alouni's lawyer lodged at least two redress appeals with the Constitutional Court before the Supreme Court decision, contesting the preventative prison decreed by the National Court as a violation of the rights to freedom and due process. The first was in January 2005 (referred to here), and the second was in January 2006. The second appeal was rejected by the Constitutional Court in March 2007 on the grounds that, after the Supreme Court upheld the previous conviction on appeal, there was no longer a situation of preventative prison subject to redress.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 04:40:34 AM EST
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Which is to say, I can find information about decisions, but not about open cases, so I don't know anything about the appeal which your source claims was pending in 2008.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 04:48:48 AM EST
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Here is a newer one (though still preceding the June 2008 article). What is it oneabout? I couldn't make much sense of it with Google translate:

Sala Segunda. Sentencia 27/2008, de 11 de
febrero de 2008. Recurso de amparo 137-2006.
Promovido por don Taysir Alony Kate frente a
los Autos de la Sala de lo Penal de la Audiencia
Nacional que acordaron prorrogar su prisión
provisional hasta la mitad de la pena impuesta
por delito de colaboración con banda armada
(STC 152/2007).
Vulneración del derecho a la libertad personal:
prisión provisional mantenida con prórroga insuficientemente
motivada, mientras pendía recurso
contra la condena de instancia (STC 22/2004).


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 05:23:14 AM EST
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Whoa.

This is about the second redress appeal above, and in this case the Constitutional Court rules that 1) Alouni's right to freedom was indeed violated; 2) the preventative prison decrees from October and November 2005 are overturned.

However, the Constitutional Count says it is up to the lower court to decide whether this means Alouni should be freed - and the actual conviction or its confirmation by the Supreme Court are not overturned so that persumably won't be the case.

So the damage Alouni is now ruled to have suffered is to have been imprisoned preventatively pending appeal of his first conviction by the National Court. The actual problem here is the slowness of the justice system. I wonder whether Alouni can now seek compensation...

This is not two rulings by the same court on the same case, but 1) an earlier procedural decision (Auto) that, given that the conviction was now upheld, Alouni couldn't be freed; a final sentence ruling on the substance of the appeal (Sentencia) which refers to the previous Auto in section I.5.

What should be interesting in this case are the "legal grounds" (fundamentos jurídicos) of the sentence, which become jurisprudence for future cases.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 06:04:47 AM EST
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So, likewise, maybe Darkazanli is more useful to Germany free than standing trial and serving time in Spain.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sat Dec 5th, 2009 at 03:25:43 PM EST
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Huh!?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Dec 5th, 2009 at 03:29:03 PM EST
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I'm sure German, like US intelligence, can find uses for "connected" persons.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 05:41:33 PM EST
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Stranded in Hamburg? What for?

But nevermind. As explained both upthread and downthread, it was the constitutional court who foiled the first extradiction resp. the (government-independent) Attorney General who killed the case in Germany (thereby foiling the second extradiction), while the politicians and local law enforcement were for it (and already booked his flight to Spain on the first instance).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 05:47:37 PM EST
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It was just an off-the-cuff comment DoDo. In the US, intelligence has been accused occasionally of protecting certain bad boys who have agreed to do them favors - so to speak.  Sometimes, they have, allegedly, been able to protect such persons from arrest.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 11:50:02 PM EST
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