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Between Ivan Karamazov (disclaimer:I passed an exam the subject of which was The Great Inquisitor scene) and Prince Mychkin...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Feb 27th, 2009 at 02:22:37 PM EST
Elaborate, please.  

I think my favorite characters are Myshkin and Nikolai Stavrogin.  I relate most to Nastasia Fillipovna and Ivan.  Sometimes, instead of explaining my "religious" views, I find it easier to just refer people to Ivan's monologue in the chapter, "Rebellion."

It seems Myshkin and Ivan "represent" incompatible ideas.  But in practice, they are somewhat similar, interestingly...

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky

by poemless on Fri Feb 27th, 2009 at 02:29:51 PM EST
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Your comment is on google already. To clarify it a bit for those of us who haven't read the Bros:

 He demands retribution, and not in some infinite time or space, but here on earth (i.e. Ivan rejects any eschatological solution to the problem). He rejects the view that there is some higher harmony that these things serve (i.e. he rejects any aesthetic conception of evil), declares that he could not accept any harmony that required the intense sufferings of such innocent children, and ends with a statement of rebellion against God, saying:

    "It's not God that I don't accept, Alyosha, only I most respectfully return Him the ticket." (Karamazov, p. 226)

The force of Ivan's indictment of the world's injustice is so great that he compels even Alyosha to admit that the situation as described requires rebellion.

    "Rebellion? I'm sorry you call it that," said Ivan earnestly. "One can hardly live in rebellion, and I want to live. Tell me yourself, I challenge you -- answer. Imagine that you are creating a fabric of human destiny with the object of making men happy in the end, giving them peace and rest at last, but that it was essential and inevitable to torture to death only one tiny creature -- that little child beating its breast with its fist, for instance -- and to found that edifice on its unavenged tears, would you consent to bet the architect on those conditions? Tell me, and tell the truth." "No, I wouldn't consent," said Alyosha softly. (Ibid.)


Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Feb 27th, 2009 at 03:04:13 PM EST
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"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Fri Feb 27th, 2009 at 03:22:22 PM EST
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