A Statistical Analysis of the ICTY's bias. | 220 comments (213 topical, 7 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: You live in never never land (none / 0)

The documented flow of refugees was to Serbia - as of the early 1990's.

Didn't that start before there was any shooting?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 05:36:59 AM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 0)

It did indeed.

by vladimir on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 05:42:58 AM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 0)

Why did it?

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 05:44:37 AM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 0)

Because of harassment.

by vladimir on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 05:55:38 AM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 0)

Documented? In a scale to justify the size of the exodus?

The Croatian claim is that rumours coming from Serbia were the cause of the exodus. I doubt that can be documented either.

The Serbs of Croatia also took arms first, in the Log Revolution.

As a part of his plea bargain with the prosecution, Milan Babić testified against Martić during his ICTY trial, saying Martić "tricked him into agreeing to the Log Revolution". He also testified that the entire war in Croatia was "Martić's responsibility, orchestrated by Belgrade".

(Wikipedia)

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 06:03:22 AM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 0)

Well, that IS a negotiated plea bargain isn't it. It's a deal with the prosecutor to plead "X" in exchange for a lenient sentence.

Biljana Plavsic also plea bargained... and today she is saying that she was 'misled' by Albright, that she misrepresented the truth in the hope of avoiding sentence.

by vladimir on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 06:20:50 AM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 0)

Normally one would have arranged a face-off in the courtroom between Babic and Martic. At least that's what the Spanish courts do quite often when one of the accused testifies against others.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 06:24:01 AM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 1)

Do spanish courts have negotiated plea bargains? I had the impression that it was an anglo thing.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 06:44:47 AM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 0)

They don't. It appears face-offs are not an Anglo thing, either.

Is this going to become another Inquisitorial vs. Adversarial justice system debate? And is the ICTY run on an inquisitorial or an adversarial system?

Although international tribunals intended to try crimes against humanity, such as the Nuremberg Trials and the International Criminal Court, have generally used a version of the adversarial system, they have also incorporated some key features of the inquisitorial system, such as the use of professional judges, and in the case of the International Criminal Court, the use of a screening pre-trial chamber.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 06:51:07 AM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 0)

Migeru:

And is the ICTY run on an inquisitorial or an adversarial system?

I checked the statute.

ICTY - TPIY :: Statute of the Tribunal

Updated Statute of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia:

September 2008 (PDF format)

It's a long pdf and my result is simply that I do not know, I think I lack the legal background to sniff out the key sentences. It would appear that the court has had some room to decide its own procedures, which might mean some mix considering the mix of judges.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 09:17:06 AM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 1)

It's difficult if not impossible to pinpoint a single event as being the trigger for all-out war. I think it was more of a chain of events that escalated.

I personally know Serbs who were driven out of Dubrovnik in 1990. While the hysteria was being propagated by all media in the region (not only Serb) there were also numerous acts of violence perpetrated against individuals. I can't say whether the media was instigating or reacting to real events.

by vladimir on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 06:16:35 AM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 0)

vladimir:

Because of harassment.

Which harassment? Yugoslavia separated. Croatia got its independence. And that is all that Croatia wanted. There was no reason to go against people who were living in it!!!

I remember my friend Jelena who also left. According to her family harassment consisted in saying that we are living in Croatia and not Yugoslavia. So the very name was a harassment for them.

by SteelLady on Wed Mar 18th, 2009 at 06:38:52 PM EST
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Re: You live in never never land (none / 0)

Your friend Jelena left because the term Croatia was a harassment. You seem to be suggesting that there were no acts of violence by croats against the Serbs as of the early 1990's. Is that right?

I also have some Serbian friends. Dusko, for instance, left Dubrovnik because his tourism and excursion shop was vandalized in 1990.

by vladimir on Thu Mar 19th, 2009 at 03:04:13 AM EST
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A Statistical Analysis of the ICTY's bias. | 220 comments (213 topical, 7 editorial, 0 hidden)

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