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The dirty little secret of decolonization is that the rich countries wanted out. A French minister of finance during the decolonization of Africa expressed his opinion. It was a strange thing: after all, basically, and contrarily to legend, Africa had not really asked to be decolonized, with the exception of communist penetrated Guinean unions; even Algeria had voted massively for the new French constitution, and was given as feed to the FLN nevertheless. So what really happened? Well, something very much related to the present globalization crisis.

That French minister finally admitted the obvious: France was unwilling to keep spending for a fully functioning hospital every 100 kilometers in gigantic Africa. Same with infrastructure throughout Africa. Of course there were other problems, such as Soviet and American imperialism that were determined to push the European powers, weakened by Nazism, out of the planet, if at all possible. Nevertheless, the selfish factor played a very important role. Spain and Portugal, which kept their colonies longer, suffered economically from it (although they were spending as little as possible).

Emphasis mine.

You know, this was as far as I came.

I can't take serious someone who argues in less than two paragraphs that Europe was both selfish and that it wanted to get rid of its cash-cow colonies - those colonies who BTW provided the soldiers that were sort of crucial to beat back the armies of the Axis countries. In fact, you may want to source that French minister and provide some quotes, while you're at it.

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Tue Apr 28th, 2009 at 07:28:31 AM EST
the entire essay. For once I let go. You should have persisted.

I do agree that this particular five lines necessitate a 10,000 pages treaty. Let me just say I so the situation with my eyes.

The cash-cow thing, although true sometimes, and esp. a century ago (where it was completely true, from oil, hivea, etc....), stopped being true later.

Telling untruths about the past, prevents us to see the truth now. I hold that there is more exploitation now, in many places. And that the threats are greater now.

Holocausts happened in the past (Congo, Namibia). But worse could happen soon, lest we keep in touch with reality. With the two (?) exceptions above, European powers did not proceed in the sort of holocausts that happened in the Americas (or maybe Australia; Fitz Roy saved the Maoris in NZ)
True is the truth, and truth is that denying the truth is an awful doom.

PA

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by Patrice Ayme on Tue Apr 28th, 2009 at 08:36:24 AM EST
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that if you need 10.000 pages, you could have abandoned these hopelessly untrue paragraphs.

And secondly, using the metric "holocaust" as a yard stick for ... whatever you want to prove... is bizarre.

And thirdly, I weary of these sooth-saying of doom:

Patrice Ayme:

But worse could happen soon, lest we keep in touch with reality.

Either speak plainly, or don't.

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Tue Apr 28th, 2009 at 10:08:33 AM EST
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Thinking is not fast food. Can't go there, & stuff oneself. It takes an immense effort, building a universe.

Patrice Ayme Patriceayme.com Patriceayme.wordpress.com http://tyranosopher.blogspot.com/
by Patrice Ayme on Tue Apr 28th, 2009 at 06:07:05 PM EST
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Again, I'm struck by the thought that a profound thinker like yourself is not at his best advantage on an Internet discussion forum.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Apr 29th, 2009 at 01:48:14 AM EST
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Socrates, if anything did not get involved enough, loud enough, and vehemently enough. That was reproached sternly to him at his trial. His defense was rather meek. He claimed that once he protested in person to the authorities... As it is I personally know some of the principals in the USA, past and present, including Yoo when he was a stupid arrogant chicken-lawyer. We did not agree on much. He turned arrogance into outright criminality later.

PA

Patrice Ayme Patriceayme.com Patriceayme.wordpress.com http://tyranosopher.blogspot.com/

by Patrice Ayme on Wed Apr 29th, 2009 at 05:52:40 AM EST
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Patrice Ayme:
It takes an immense effort, building a universe.
It might be wasted effort given that there is a universe already, and that's the one that matters.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 29th, 2009 at 06:04:02 AM EST
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