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Even if you manage to pass point system for New Zealand you can freely come to live in Australia after becoming citizen.Have a closer look to both countries.And once you have permanent residence you are practically equal to citizens (at least after 2 years I think).In New Zealand you can even vote (which I am not so enthusiastic about any more) but here in Australia you need to be citizen to vote.
Actually when I look at it ( on the surface) Europe has/had much more of the security (pensions, health , work ) then those overseas countries but on the other hand from what I have heard they do not treat immigrants nowhere near equally to other citizens like those countries  overseas).  
As for surf the ocean is at least pretty worm here ( as opposed to New Zealand).

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Sat May 30th, 2009 at 10:21:00 AM EST
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