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Conscience without the will to use force is only devastation of a beautiful soul. To fight Satan, cognition is not enough. To fight Satan, empathy is not enough. To fight Satan, demonic minds is what it takes.

I disagree.

Why would demonic minds want to win over Satan?

by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Mon Jun 1st, 2009 at 11:39:51 AM EST
The outcome could never be victory.
by Lily (put - lilyalmond - here <a> yahaah.france) on Mon Jun 1st, 2009 at 11:41:14 AM EST
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That was the whole paradox of Judaism as Hitler festered. And now why Israel was founded the other way (the philosopher Isaac Berlin said about the foundation of Israel:"They listened to Hitler, not to us"... Well, that was my answer to Berlin, and Bibi (not my prophet) would understand it...)

The way of the sheep is easy: only one decision to take: how fast can I run... The way of the demon is harder: it does not have to take orders from God (BTW, true reason why why Socrates was condemned...)

Patrice Ayme Patriceayme.com Patriceayme.wordpress.com http://tyranosopher.blogspot.com/

by Patrice Ayme on Mon Jun 1st, 2009 at 06:59:28 PM EST
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Don't ask why you can do for Satan, ask what Satan can do for you.

In Judeo(-Christo-Islamism)God shares with Satan. In the Qur'an God gets really angry about being asked about that, and about his possible collaboartion with the Djinns...

Patrice Ayme Patriceayme.com Patriceayme.wordpress.com http://tyranosopher.blogspot.com/

by Patrice Ayme on Mon Jun 1st, 2009 at 07:02:41 PM EST
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Conscience without the will to use force is only devastation of a beautiful soul.

and ghandi?

your definition of force may be really different than mine.

using negativity to fight negativity is black magic.

as soon as you use the diabolical tools, you become compromised, you might appear to win for a period of time, but you have hitched your wagon to the wrong star, imo.

cf, torture.

two wrongs don't make a right.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jun 1st, 2009 at 08:44:54 PM EST
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Respectfully, two platitudes don't make a right either... And Ghandi, well, what did he do? Free India from the big bad Brits who would have otherwise devoured India? Please don't underestimate the British will to be independent of India...
Ghandi's most personal contribution was the disasterwith the Muslims. So Ghandi spun his will, and left, what, ten million dead on the subcontinent in his wake? When did the Brits kill ten million Indians?

Sorry about the roughness of the thoughts...
PA

Patrice Ayme Patriceayme.com Patriceayme.wordpress.com http://tyranosopher.blogspot.com/

by Patrice Ayme on Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 at 03:08:07 PM EST
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some of your thoughts are rough, patrice, it's true.

i was using ghandi as an example of moral force, and its use, through inspiring millions of desperately exploited people. putting his agenda under a microscope wasn't my intention!

i think another point to make is that force against totalitarianism is a martyr's job.

 snark is better for sinking dictatorships.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:27:54 AM EST
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