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Doomed? Well, in the long run we're all dead, I'll grant you that. But while it's always more exciting to crow about the coming disaster and dystopia, often as a way to force other people into ones very own definition of utopia, people always forget that the world is steadily becoming a better place. The cold war is over, and with it the threat of immediate and annihilating nuclear war, poverty is being quashed at a record pace, especially in Asia, where hundreds of millions or even billions of people have risen from absolute poverty into something which looks a bit like what we in the West managed half a century ago.

Sure there are problems, but when haven't there been problems? The thing with problems is that they often can be solved by hard work and insight, and I'm feeling pretty certain that once again we'll eventually triumph. And if we don't, well, then at least we tried. It's still a much better chance than proselytising about some "new clear and present vision" which'll never take off, for the simple reason that there are lots of very poor people left out there, without electricity or sanitation or nothing, who won't accept anything at all other than increasing their material standard of living.

But this doesn't really have anything to do with Trident.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 03:25:59 AM EST
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Starvid:
The cold war is over, and with it the threat of immediate and annihilating nuclear war

Global Village Idiot:
If i remember correctly, you were the person who began this diary stating that Britain needed to acquire a new round of nuclear weapons capability. (To re-emerge as a Great Power!)

Starvid:
even billions of people have risen from absolute poverty into something which looks a bit like what we in the West managed half a century ago

GVI:
At the expense of what, the entire surface ecosystem of the planet: topsoil, oceans, air?  Poverty is being quashed at a record pace?  At the expense of returning to feudal times, m'lord.

I'm thrilled you're feeling certain that with hard work and insight we'll triumph once again.  I was under the impression we haven't triumphed the first time yet. Have you taken a look at China recently? (Would you drink the water in so many places?)

I am certain that a new generation of nuclear submarines will help alleviate poverty and provide electricity and sanitation.

Nobody here is "crowing about the coming disaster and dystopia."  That's just the facts on the ground. I can be accused of crowing about needing a proper vision first, and then the will to implement it.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 06:20:09 AM EST
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there is a difference between immediate annihilating threat and the bare need for renewed detterrence capability.
by Xavier in Paris on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 06:49:33 PM EST
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