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Here's "a lower power"
ceiling(exp(log(c(EU.population, iceland=300000))/1.5)/3000)
    Germany	 France 	 UK	  Italy       Spain	 Poland 
	 64	     54 	 52	     51 	 43	     38 
    Romania Netherlands      Greece	Belgium    Portugal	Czechia 
	 26	     22 	 17	     17 	 17	     16 
    Hungary	 Sweden     Austria    Bulgaria     Denmark    Slovakia 
	 16	     15 	 14	     13 	 11	     11 
    Finland	Ireland   Lithuania	 Latvia    Slovenia	Estonia 
	 11	     10 	  8	      6 	  6	      5 
     Cyprus  Luxembourg       Malta	iceland 
	  3	      3 	  2	      2
for a total of 553 + EU-wide list. The problem I see with allowing flexibility in the power is that you will then get endless bickering as well as not having a clean a priori justification for the choice (which Penrose's square-root does have).

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 19th, 2009 at 10:37:54 AM EST
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The probability of "endless bickering" is exactly why the two-house system works. You set up a rule: Proportional representation in one house and per-country representation in the other, and then you don't change the rule when some new tiny country is added.
by asdf on Sun Jul 19th, 2009 at 12:48:13 PM EST
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The European Council operates as the second house - it is not unlike the "Federal Council" (even in name!) of Germany or Switzerland. I am not sure the second house needs to be directly elected, and in fact that was not the case originally in the US but the result of an amendment.

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 19th, 2009 at 12:50:24 PM EST
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The point of direct election (or appointment, as in the original rules) is that there is a fixed pair of formulas: 1.) Population, and 2.) Per geographically separate unit.

A given combined formula (logarithmic or whatever) can by correct selection of parameters give the same--or close to it--result for a given set of data, but if the parameters can be fiddled politically, they will. Like rorting or gerrymandering or whatever, you always get it from a political system.

I have wondered whether this issue was at the root of the UK's handing over of some independence to Wales and Scotland, the idea being that with the current arrangement, Britain could potentially claim to have four distinct geographical units.

by asdf on Sun Jul 19th, 2009 at 03:21:21 PM EST
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The swedish upper house (before 1970 iirc) was appointed by the regional and local assemblies. I think that was a good model as it prevented the creep of powers to the highest level by giving lower levels representation. Since it was the assemblies and not the local executives it also kept the seperation of powers (in contrast to the Councils make-up).

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Jul 19th, 2009 at 04:38:21 PM EST
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