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I think the lack of retirement money is just about to hit the popular consciousness.

Of my retirement-age friends, a small fraction were fortunate to work their entire career at one company, ending up with good, traditional retirement plans, retirement health care, and enjoyed two months of annual vacation during the last few years of work. Most of them, though, changed companies once or twice, at which point they were dropped from the retirement plans, had their vacation hour seniority reset, and lost their retirement medical care.

It's just now becoming obvious to them, having been retired now for perhaps three or four years, that their personal finances are a disaster: When their retirement money was converted to a cash payout they lost both the support of the still-working and also the shared risk pool of the company-organized plans. The million dollars or so that they may have been able to put into their personal retirement plans (as stock ownership, usually) dropped through the basement, and they are struggling to live on the meager dividends.

The gap between those enjoying the conventional retirement and those not enjoying the new retirement system is apparent in daily discussions...the baby-boomers are entering retirement and it's ugly.

by asdf on Fri Jan 29th, 2010 at 10:57:57 PM EST
they are struggling to live on the meager dividends.

They, (we) have really been screwed by the zero interest rate policy of the Fed. 1% of a million dollars is only $10K. If that is your yearly supplement to your Social Security and you have no other defined benefit plan, you are likely to be living on your capital. But if you start with a million you can draw it down at the rate of $24K/year for >40 years. If you start with $250 thousand, you will spend it in 10 years. That is a problem.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jan 30th, 2010 at 01:21:45 AM EST
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nice clear example, thanks Geezer.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jan 30th, 2010 at 06:35:33 AM EST
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Yep, and that's the whole point of annuities. Unfortunately, it's tough to predict whether you're going to be drawing it down over 30 years or 30 days...
by asdf on Sat Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:19:22 PM EST
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Or whether the annuity will be worth anything in 5-10 years or even be there, the way things are run on Wall Street. I almost put that into the comment.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jan 30th, 2010 at 12:55:50 PM EST
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well we boomers are the fruits of a time when opportunities to 'move up in the world' were legion, and consumer confidence was just a twinkle in the collective eye.

shouda known when hustlers tell you to 'have confidence' it's time to think of a plan B, however rudimentary.

rough but ready. well, readier than before anyway.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jan 30th, 2010 at 06:34:45 AM EST
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