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Is women's underwear designed by men?

Would things be any different if women designed women's underwear?

On another note, underwear advertisement is exceedingly sexualised, and I wonder how and whether women are motivated by this advertising to buy underwear. I suspect if they are it's because it tells them you have to look like this to be attractive to your man or something like that.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 31st, 2010 at 05:02:28 AM EST
Is women's underwear designed by men?

Hardly.

Marielle Bollier - inventor of the "minikini"

Ninette van Kamp

Marlies Dekkers

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Sun Jan 31st, 2010 at 10:21:31 AM EST
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something else I find striking.

In the past century, there has been a feminist movement that rebelled against dress-code largely imposed through religious mores, which resulted in scantier and more sexually accentuated dress for women - based on grounds that women should be free to wear what they want to choose. This may have been particularly manifest during the sexual revolution but it is still on-going; this is something Marlies Dekkers has professed as part of her drive for creating her own designs.

Now Izzy's diary partially appears to address the undesirable dress-code of garments that typify women mostly as lust-objects.

Isn't the first movement, still on-going, starting to bite the other now?

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Sun Jan 31st, 2010 at 04:19:50 PM EST
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Being told that your body has to be a sex symbol is at least as oppressive as being told that it cannot be one.

Whether the people doing the telling are priests or advertising men (and the functional difference between the two is becoming increasingly obscure to me...) makes less difference than the conventional wisdom would have you believe.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jan 31st, 2010 at 06:11:57 PM EST
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I think if the issue is

what makes you[a female] better able to understand their situation than me[a male]?"

..then the source of pressure (male domination or peer pressure) is secondary, living under the pressure is primary.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 31st, 2010 at 12:07:53 PM EST
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But whether the source of the pressure is patriarchy or sexual competition among peers does make a difference in analysis, and also in setting realistic goals if the intent is political. Specifically, you cannot realistically get rid of sexual competition, but you can address the influence that a patriarchal environment has on such competition. And you can loosen the grip of patriarchy on everyday life.

The relationship of American and Somali women to their bras is a case in point.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 31st, 2010 at 12:19:59 PM EST
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Is women's underwear designed by men?

Would things be any different if women designed women's underwear?

Good questions, although I feel they're entirely beside the point.  It's not about the actual underwear (or burkas), it's about what the articles of clothing represent.  

As I said in more detail above to TBG, the clothing itself is merely a symbol (and often a tool) of the cultural problem, so when clothes are used to manipulate us, ether by politicians or industry, we take it personally for reasons we often can't, or don't want to, articulate.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 1st, 2010 at 01:55:07 AM EST
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