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It's not about understanding, it's about preparedness. Operation Odessa (and later Stalingrad) became a disaster for Nazi Germany in the winter because it was supposed to be over in the summer. The troops were then prepared for winter in the Battle of the Bulge. There was much snow during the mountainside battles between Austria-Hungary and Italy during WWI, too. And Napoleon's greatest victory, Austerlitz, was in December. Winter was also the season for counter-attacking the Ottoman Empire, with major actions in 1443 or 1664.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Dec 22nd, 2010 at 04:59:41 PM EST
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hmm..  I did say that if winters in Europe were colder, there would have been fewer wars.

There was no way around the problems in Stalingrad with the technology of the day.  No amount of preparedness would have helped.

Diesels have problems on cold days.  Steel sticks due to frozen humiditiy, people get cold and sick, etc.

by stevesim on Wed Dec 22nd, 2010 at 05:13:31 PM EST
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Are you saying that the Battle of the Bulge was impossible? Or the wars in Finland?

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by DoDo on Fri Dec 24th, 2010 at 04:32:32 AM EST
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It's just another version of the "civilised protestant north vs. dirty southern savages" trope.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 24th, 2010 at 04:39:35 AM EST
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hmm.  I don't remember typing those words.

I get a kick out of how everyone extrapolates something different from my statement.

The Battle of the Bulge was also fought during an exceptional winter in Europe, by the bye.  The problems with the matériel underlie my point - harsh winters do not lend themselves to fighting.

Although in this case, the snow was the problem, more than the cold, as was the case in Stalingrad, which also occurred during an exceptional winter.

by stevesim on Fri Dec 24th, 2010 at 10:29:01 AM EST
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In the Battle of the Bulge, the well-prepared German forces attacked during a snowstorm so that they could evade airplanes, while the Allied forces were unprepared for the weather. The German attack had some other problems but really foundered once the weather turned for the better and the Allied air force could bomb them and their supply lines.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 24th, 2010 at 11:25:34 AM EST
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the snow was the problem, more than the cold

Snow was more the problem than cold, but temperatures during the Battle of the bulge reached -20°C, and that was combined with strong winds. Exceptionally cold for the region, not to mention for the equipment of the US Army.

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by DoDo on Fri Dec 24th, 2010 at 11:31:07 AM EST
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