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Well, it's not completely clear, but I lean in your direction. But, we don't know the details of how Ms A's testimony came out or was taken. "Embroiled with the police" is not enough detail. Were they interviewed on the details of their complaints separately? But, we can assume from the circumstances that they discussed Assange's alleged behavior before visiting the police.

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by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Wed Aug 25th, 2010 at 11:53:37 AM EST
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No, it is completely clear that witnesses who went to police together are not independent, and that's why I highlighted the relevant passages by bolding.

As for the insufficient detail in "embroiled with the police", that's relevant to the question of how much police influenced to flow of events on its own initiative, not the independence of witnesses...

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by DoDo on Wed Aug 25th, 2010 at 12:12:19 PM EST
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What potentially matters is how independent their testimony is. That's uncertain.

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by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Wed Aug 25th, 2010 at 12:34:41 PM EST
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They talked before, therefore it is certainly not independent. Wanna walk a few more circles around the obvious?

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by DoDo on Wed Aug 25th, 2010 at 12:38:16 PM EST
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The degree of independence matters. We don't know that. Yes, they talked, but we don't know the level of detail of their prior talks.

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Wed Aug 25th, 2010 at 12:44:16 PM EST
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Yes, they talked

So they were absolutely not independent, but you may separately talk about the degree of prior agreement between what they said -- just like in the case of any other non-independent witnesses. Do you want to walk yet another round?...

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by DoDo on Wed Aug 25th, 2010 at 01:02:48 PM EST
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I'm not sure 'independent' legally, but let's say colloquially it means (at least in this context) more or less that the two witnesses weren't working as a team, hadn't worked out what to say beforehand, and/or that one witness's testimony hadn't been 'contaminated' by the recollections of the other witness. In that context, and despite your certainty, it is not certain whether the two witnesses are 'independent' or not, and how 'independent' their testimony was at the police station.


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by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Wed Aug 25th, 2010 at 03:50:20 PM EST
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Oops, That start should be:

I'm not sure 'independent' legally means much,

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Wed Aug 25th, 2010 at 03:51:00 PM EST
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it is not certain whether the two witnesses are 'independent' or not, and how 'independent' their testimony was at the police station

Given how competently and honestly the police has handled everything else in this case, I would be exceedingly surprised if they had properly separated the witnesses while interviewing them.

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Aug 25th, 2010 at 06:47:54 PM EST
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'A politically charged screw-up" is how I'd sum up so far. The Swedish police seem entirely capable of making this mess on their own, without shadowy assistance by cross-national spy agencies, but we'll see.

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 03:18:06 PM EST
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