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Of course it's possible, and of course women who go to the police to complain of abuse should be taken seriously and listened to. But allegations are not in themselves evidence.

And, in this case, the immediately-offered media stories have changed so often and so quickly (despite being apparently circumstantiated by details such as the condom which are no longer being spoken of), that the notion of a put-up job is an extremely possible one too.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 25th, 2010 at 04:38:14 PM EST
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This is a storm in a tekopp. There is a simpler explanation: jealous revenge.

One of the two women, an expert on the law on sexual offences through her work, sought out contact with Assange (who she did not know) before he arrived in Sweden. This is evidenced in cached tweets that she sent at the time, now removed - presumably by herself. For instance she heard that Assange would be attending a private crayfish party and sought to get an invitation to it.

To actively seek out contact with someone, and then to engineer an accusation against them says only one thing to me. I say engineer, because there was never a direct accusation made by the woman, but it was reported to the police in such a way that they would have to act.

The cause of the desire for 'revenge' is murkier. But there are several scenarios that do not involve the CIA, the Pentagon or any other sinister organizations.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 03:12:56 AM EST
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One of the two women, an expert on the law on sexual offences through her work, sought out contact with Assange (who she did not know) before he arrived in Sweden.

The more the evidence rolls in the more it looks like a classic "Honey Trap."

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 11:41:47 AM EST
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It may well prove to be such, but for the moment there are more obvious, more parochial explanations.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 12:58:07 PM EST
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One's conclusions depends on one's paranoia index?  Mine is set fairly high; I try to keep it under control.

O/T, BTW:

Hope you're anchoring the shelving properly.  Remember they will have to hold 10,000 books when the ET Refuges move in.  

:-)


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 02:12:51 PM EST
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Oh I am. I even bought an electronic stud detector (no jokes there please). But there's a lot of BTUs in books, and we have a standard Finnish tiled stove upstairs - one of the most efficient burners in the business. Heat or knowledge - it may be the choice one day ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 02:48:53 PM EST
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One's conclusions depends on one's paranoia index?

And how allergic one is to tinfoil.

Me, I'm perfectly willing to ascribe mendaciousness to the police and the press - but I find coordination with the Americans hard to believe. For one thing, it's not necessary. Every back-scratching little wannabe-Quisling on the continent knows that Assange is a high-profile pain in the US' ass. For another thing, you can't keep that sort of operation a secret in Sweden... as the MPAA learned to their misfortune when they went after TPB.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 07:21:15 PM EST
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(where's me hat?  OH!  Here it is!!!)

This kind of thing needs a couple of people talking to a couple of people in the right place(s).  

We're not going to know who, what, when,and why for a couple of months ... if ever.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 27th, 2010 at 12:05:30 PM EST
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Scandinavian societies are far more transparent than the Anglo. We'll know what happened this end quite soon.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Aug 27th, 2010 at 12:17:24 PM EST
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Outright fabrications require political initiative in high places, because low-level bureaucrats are allergic to sticking their necks out like that (or they will soon cease to be bureaucrats). But exaggeration only requires that everybody knows what the boss would like to hear. So far, I'm betting that this is a case of exaggeration by the police and press based on their being suffused by the Conventional Wisdom of the Serious People.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Aug 27th, 2010 at 12:35:24 PM EST
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Is there a source for your suspicions/allegations?

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 03:26:50 PM EST
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The two women alleged they were eyewitnesses to Assange's behavior. "I say I saw this" is the strongest evidence you have in these sorts of intimate, one-to-one contexts. If courts didn't consider it 'strong evidence' then we'd pretty much never get any convictions for crimes that happen in intimate, one-on-one contexts.

fairleft
by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 03:44:15 PM EST
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We pretty much never do get convictions for crimes that happen in intimate, one-on-one contexts.

It also depends on the credibility of the witnesses in question. But the credibility of the witnesses is a matter for the courts of law to decide, not for the courts of public opinion.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Aug 26th, 2010 at 07:30:37 PM EST
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In the states many are convicted of 'sex-or-abuse-related' crimes on such intimate testimony. It's one of those 'who do you believe' deals for either a judge or a jury. This has long been considered a difficult and 'feminist' issue, because if you don't credit such testimony to some extent then certain sorts of 'non-violent' incidences of sexual abuse and rape become very difficult to 'prove' beyond a reasonable doubt.

Anyway, 2 witnesses against 1 would not have been helpful to Assange, but now things may get down, according to shaky press reports, to one woman's word against his.

fairleft

by fairleft (fairleftatyahoodotcom) on Fri Aug 27th, 2010 at 10:16:21 PM EST
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