Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
Display:
PS: My wife and I love Duval. One reason is that it is sold here in the US. Is it the best Belgian beer? Well we don't know, but it is a great beer.

Want to make something of it? As I said, it is a matter of personal taste in a world of what's available to you. Some people actually drink Bud, a whole lot of them. Why? It's associated with American football. And then there's people who attend Beer festivals and talk about this one or that one being the best. What's really needed is an objective beer tasting machine. When that is developed we will know for certain which is the best, or will we?

by shergald on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 10:58:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
No, there is no such machine but for Belgian beers there is the OBV group who have a rigorous scoring of the various flavours within beer and have aggregated their impressions.

It is not a mark of quality, merely a record of the beer.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 11:18:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
How can I introduce my taste buds into their system? That is the question.

by shergald on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 01:00:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
First thing you need to do is get some taste training. As you seem to be in NYC, get acquainted with the gotham imbiber, I'm sure they organise taste training.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 02:15:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm not sure about this Helen. Taste buds are taste buds. Just how do you train them? It would seem to me that such training would just artificialize the pleasure, and lead to false claims. A beer taste cannot really be broken down into components. It is either there are not there. Taste and stop thinking about the taste, which would only confuse the matter. It is there are not there.

by shergald on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 02:28:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Beer can be broken down into the 4 different tastes.

salt, acid, sweet and bitter. You can then look at fruit malt hoppiness etc etc.

I'm sorry, but to simply lay a slur against the idea of beer tasting in self-evident ignorance of what you're talking about is very insulting.

So, seeing as it's quite obvious I'm not persuading you of the advantage of understanding beer flavours, I think I'll call it quits at this point.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 02:46:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
self-evident ignorance of what you're talking about is very insulting

Nobody could have predicted...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 02:48:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Taste buds are taste buds. Just how do you train them?

You train your brain to recognize what your taste buds (and, actually, your nose) are telling you. Next you're going to claim, from first principles, that Oenology cannot exist.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 02:47:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Exactly. thank you

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 02:56:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Like learning to appreciate music or poetry - ears are ears and words are words, not only is training not necessary, it doesn't add anything to appreciation. Right? Uh... Wrong.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 03:07:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"that Oenology cannot exist."

Exactly. That's what I am talking about. When you try to break an experience down to its components, you have lost the experience. Beer is an 'ahhh' experience and you know when you have a great beer when you get it. Otherwise, trying to insert some cognitive analysis into tasting beer invariably distorts it.

You Europeans here are all alike: you believe that you're a think tank capable of resolving everything including taste through some kind of analysis.

And don't ask me why I bother trying to teach you. It is just impossible.


by shergald on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 04:19:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And don't ask me why I bother trying to teach you

Wait -- THAT'S what you're doing?!?

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 04:30:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Viola, viola. That's a French translation for the good ol' American, 'fucking A.' Sometimes we just don't beat around the bush. Right Helen?

by shergald on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 04:58:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, that you're a f'in A and proud of it has been pretty obvious for a while.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Aug 7th, 2010 at 04:59:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Especially no excuse for not trying lots of stuff if in NYC.  You can get anything there.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Aug 8th, 2010 at 08:54:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My NY locale is just a myth, created by Bostonians who think the Red Sox are really going to the World Series this year.

by shergald on Sun Aug 8th, 2010 at 01:11:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I am reliably informed the Red Sox will win the pennant this year.

Or next year, for sure.

Count on it.

(They sell lots of drugs in Boston.)


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sun Aug 8th, 2010 at 01:13:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
THE LEGENDARY RED SAUX FAITHFUL WILL LIFT OW-UH TEAM TA VICTARY!  YANKEES SACK!  YANKEES SACK!  YANKEES SACK!

Eh...just looking at the division, they're four and a half games back of the Rays (who I'm amazed are even still around), and six games back of -- shock of shocks -- the Yankees.

Looks like the Yankees manage to buy it this year.  Again.

Baseball is beyond lame.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Aug 8th, 2010 at 01:27:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Display:

Occasional Series