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Gary Gibbon on Politics - Low union turnout pushes Ed into first place
The Tories will go hard on Ed Miliband being the prisoner of the trade unions. He'll be watched like a hawk after a result that delivered him victory only thanks to the trade union section.

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I spoke to Derek Simpson of Unite and he insisted the leadership hadn't been leaning on its members, but with turnout that low they would've been mainly counting votes from the most highly politicised who tend to think like the union leaderships they elect. That low turnout probably did for David Miliband.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Sep 25th, 2010 at 03:25:31 PM EST
Being a prisoner of the unions -> v. bad.

Being a prisoner of the City -> the natural order of things.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Sep 25th, 2010 at 03:31:31 PM EST
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Being a prisoner of the Tabloid press - That which shall not be mentioned.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Sep 25th, 2010 at 03:42:12 PM EST
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AFAIK, Ed Miliband received the votes of many more party members than did David Cameron in the Tory Leadership election.  Does getting more votes from people imply you are their prisoner, or is it not rather evidence of a better democracy at work?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 26th, 2010 at 07:42:52 PM EST
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evidence of a better democracy at work?

I suspect this is the UK version of IOKYAR--It's OK if you're a Republican. Thus, in the US, Republican politicians these days seem to get free passes on all manner of things for which a Democrat is excoriated.

by Mnemosyne on Sun Sep 26th, 2010 at 10:14:19 PM EST
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The reason why the Labour arrangements are considered less democratic than those of other parties is that they do not produce a one member, one vote, one value  election.

The electorate votes in three equally weighted blocks, with different qualification rules. The first block consists of Labour Members of Parliament and Members of the European Parliament. The second group consists of the membership of Constituency Labour Parties. The third (and most problematic) group, is the membership of affiliated organisations which are mostly trade unions.

It is possible to qualify for and exercise more than one vote. Dennis MacShane MP claimed to have five votes.

The system is not as totally undemocratic as it used to be, since the affiliated organisation leaderships no longer cast the votes as a block for the whole organisation.

I am not certain that it is still the case, but it may be, that each of the affiliates purchase a number of votes which is not necessarily related to the number of individual members paying the political levy (which the members of the trade unions with a political fund do, unless they individually go to the trouble of opting out). It may therefore require an individual vote in the affiliates section to be weighted, so the appropriate number of votes can be cast on behalf of a particular organisation.

It seems to me that the simplest reform would be to abolish the electoral college and give a single vote to all party members and those people in the affiliated groups who opt to become individual affiliated members of the party (ie the qualification to vote becomes a personal one rather than as part of a collective membership). Until something like my suggestion is implemented the Labour leadership election system will continue to be open to criticism.

by Gary J on Mon Sep 27th, 2010 at 08:19:46 AM EST
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