Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
Although, thinking  about it, our not being productivist is not only because of our desire for sustainability, but also derives from our doubts about GDP as an indicator of the success of a society.

We tend to be qualitativists ;-)

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Wed Sep 29th, 2010 at 05:41:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Quotations from Berlin
Injustice, poverty, slavery, ignorance - these may be cured by reform or revolution. But men do not live only by fighting evils. They live by positive goals, individual and collective, a vast variety of them, seldom predictable, at times incompatible.

ET in a nutshell...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Sep 29th, 2010 at 05:59:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It comes down to  the quality, rather than the quantity, of production and hence to the denominator of GDP.

£, $ and € just don't cut it IMHO as a unit of measure: an energy unit, on the other hand, just might.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Sep 29th, 2010 at 06:08:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sustainability is part of it, and having deconstructed the standard metrics of GrowthTM is part of it. But I also sense a deeper undercurrent of dissent from the mantra that having more toys makes your playtime better. And an understanding that, in The WestTM at least, GrowthTM is in the business of producing more toys, not a better coverage of the necessaries of life.

We do not applaud the efforts of the squirrel to keep abreast of the wheel that is propelled by his own efforts.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Sep 29th, 2010 at 07:48:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, you've won, I think I'll make it the next chapter, before even going into details about sustainability.

We take it for granted in those parts that GDP is a broken metric, yet a new reader would probably come with the idea that it's the natural target for any society. This is therefore an important distinctive trait.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu Sep 30th, 2010 at 02:18:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]


Occasional Series