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The only problem I have with this analogy is that feudalism was a system of loyalty. Social relations were governed by formalized ties of loyalty between lord and vassal, instead of the current system of state and individual. While I would agree that our rulers are working diligently at curtailing democracy, eliminating widespread prosperity, and establishing a permanent aristocracy, I see no sign of the ties of loyalty that existed in feudal society.

Perhaps a system of personal fealty will arise as an end result of the current trend, but until then I'm not convinced that 'feudalism' is the correct analogy.

by Migel Sanchez on Sun Jan 9th, 2011 at 06:47:09 PM EST

As a peasant you didn't have much choice but to be "loyal", as an employee today you often have little choice but to be "loyal" or risk losing your livelihood. You might also buy into the ideology, propagated by the rich through their control of media, that says that the rich deserve their wealth and that such great inequalities are natural, like the divine right of kings.


Feudalism is Alive and Well

Summary of What a Feudal System is

In each of these examples, one group of person has power over others and the groups with power are willing to use any means to ensure their own gain.  They enforce their power in harsh ways. They also propagate a form of paternalism that states that those at the bottom of the hierarchy benefit from unequal power relations.  In some cases, the disempowered accommodate and show gratitude.  Some accommodators become enforcers; that is, they enforce the rules that the aristocrats have set up, while not acknowledging that they too serve at the whim of their masters.

The economic system in the United States and perhaps world-wide is another variation on the peasant-aristocrat system.  The aristocrats are bankers, financiers, and politicians who created the system and benefited from it.  To maintain the system, the aristocrats co-opted those who were supposed to be supervising them and enforcing the laws. They also co-opted millions and perhaps billions of people who thought they were benefiting from the systems, such as persons who saw the value of their stocks rising, home owners who saw the values of their houses increasing, and individuals who bought homes for little or no money down and who did not have the income to pay the mortgages.

... The peasants who are losing their jobs, homes, and retirement savings are not benefiting in any way close to how the aristocrats are.

http://socyberty.com/society/feudalism-is-alive-and-well/3/



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sun Jan 9th, 2011 at 07:50:34 PM EST
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It was a system of fealty -- mutual obligations with a definite asymmetry in power relationships. There was formal loyalty, but it was usually very calculated. That aspect has been taken over by lawyers and employment contracts in our societies but the asymmetric power relationships remain. The real change is from one in which everyone had presumed universal rights under the laws of one's state to one in which one's rights are contingent on the contract and one in which one's loyalty was to the state has been superseded by loyalty to the corporation - often transnational in nature. There are no longer a large number of potential employers and they all have access to far more information about the individual than was previously the case.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 at 01:25:42 AM EST
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There's an important difference between classical feudalism and modern feudalism: The classical feudal nobility was just as much tied to the land as the peasants were. Yes, there was a strong asymmetry of power, but the feudal lord offered an important benefit over no feudal lord: He was extracting his rent from the same peasants and the same land year after year, so he had an interest in keeping them a viable going concern (as opposed to passing marauders and mercenary armies who had no lasting interest in the lands they pillaged).

Transnational corporations today are not tied to any particular workforce, country, capital plant or anything else that gives them comparable interest in maintaining society as a going concern. That can change virtually overnight if the guys with the guns decide to change it, of course, but so far the guys with the guns seem to like the looting and pillaging that results from purely mercenary transnationals.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 at 07:00:26 AM EST
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Transnational corporations today are not tied to any particular workforce, country, capital plant or anything else that gives them comparable interest in maintaining society as a going concern.

Therefore no one has a compelling reason to maintain any particular society so individual societies can confidently await shredding by The Market®. This may well end with which ever significant country that DID NOT buy into the "supremacy of the market" being the new hegemon, as the social basis of all others will have been destroyed.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 at 11:33:54 AM EST
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Transnational corporations today are not tied to any particular workforce, country, capital plant or anything else that gives them comparable interest in maintaining society as a going concern.

A key point and one (it seems) very carefully overlooked by politicians and other Decision Makers.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 at 12:27:03 PM EST
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Only because acknowledging it would force them to start making it not true, and they would really rather not do that.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 at 12:29:16 PM EST
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Modern feudalism can only be a highly unequal society with non universal law but relations written in personal contracts. My only point is that we did have these kind of countries in the past in South-America, and all of them became more equal over time.

When chinese and Indian and Indonesian modern feudal lords appear the same thing will happen again, there.

Actually, one could argue that Mexico fifteen years ago was a perfect example of the modern feudal system (and it is has large areas with pure classical feudal system), and it was less unequal that any classical feudal system that it ever existed.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 at 04:17:46 PM EST
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... one is working for within the modern system can change as easily as one's ultimate lord could change in the feudal period due to the complexities of succession or due to your direct lord changing his own lords.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Jan 12th, 2011 at 06:09:28 PM EST
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Classical feudal lords were only tied to the existence of a domain to exploit ~ just like modern trasnational corporations, they were only tied to any particular domain by the lack of an opportunity to gain a better domain somewhere else and if, as when William of Normandy decided that England looked like a tasty morsel ripe for the plucking, new more lucrative domains opened up, they very readily picked up and moved to take on new titles in new lands.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Jan 15th, 2011 at 07:29:52 PM EST
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instead of the current system of state and individual.

The state is just a front office of the relation to individuals. Then, of course, the question is: What is behind the state? Who controls the state, or what the governments are really working for?

If you look at Eastern European governments, their serious work appears to be taking care of international investors: monitoring post-bubble private debt payments, assuming new public obligations. Things may not be very different in free-er worlds. Sure, not every investment banker is a winner, but that does not mean that a banking oligarchy has rather safely us all working for them. If you look historically, the Medici controlled Italian princes and their ministers, and the Rothschilds supervised 19th century European governemnts, rather less openly. Why the trend would change?

Yesterday I leafed through a "Newsweek" issue. One subheadline read: "Banking is politics by other means". Or can we say: politics is banking by other means? Ha ha. An other headline is: "Retiring In The Red". That's the pension reform you deserve?! Other article claims that Europeans (particulaly Germans) are fed up with government as well. So we know what's coming. And a jewel joke I found there (but no web link to a short article) was a bank analyst anticipating European Tea Parties...

by das monde on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 at 01:26:15 AM EST
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But still, as yet, the state is the front for a loose and shifting oligarchy of interests, a 'Pirate's Cabal', if you will, so that it will only implement common denominator solutions. This seems to me to be the chief vulnerability of this system. Sadly.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 at 11:44:04 AM EST
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Transnationals and other Biggest Players in the economic system are, to some extent, The State.  At a minimum, their interests are privileged over the Common Good -- which in the US has degenerated to meaning "the Right to make as much money as you can and keep it shall not be abridged."

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 at 12:30:43 PM EST
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If some oligarchy would be comfortably persistent, those shifting denominators would be a useful impression to make ;-) Just make the system stupendously rewarding to a few fresh masterminds from time to time.
by das monde on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 at 10:28:13 PM EST
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... were front offices for something every bit as like (and every bit as unlike) a pirate's cabal as the corporate establishment that owns the polity in the United States.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Jan 12th, 2011 at 06:11:23 PM EST
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It is also based on having an excess population. The plague in Europe had a huge impact on the feudal system, because suddenly there was a worker shortage. Malthus and all that...
by asdf on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 at 03:16:39 AM EST
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