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Sorry, I disagree with the thesis that a managed decline in the standard of living of people with computers is a bad thing. You can fill in the rest.

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by ormondotvos (ormond.otvosnospamgmialcon) on Tue Mar 1st, 2011 at 07:05:13 PM EST
Aha, so you support the diversion of resources to maintain the indulgent lifestyle of the top 0.01% while the bottom 90% see their standard of living drop in a managed decline.

Interesting.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Mar 1st, 2011 at 07:23:37 PM EST
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Eisenhower-level taxation of the rich is assumed, but there are a lot of poor people.

There are things government, and only government can do.

Defense, infrastructure, freedom, education, health care, should all be basic and guaranteed. Not SUVs, but 50 mile range electric cars, small tight houses, a small amount of electricity, gas, water, education, bandwidth.

Let the rich parade their slightly larger versions, but tax grandiosity.

Veblen was right.

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by ormondotvos (ormond.otvosnospamgmialcon) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 11:10:28 PM EST
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If it were done equitably (see Bruce above).
But if there is an attempt to manage, it seems more like an attempt to manage the final predation of--everybody else.
That, in itself, is an admission that they see the accuracy of the LTG thesis, and a decision to discard to a miserable death between 60% and 80%% of the human race, along with more than half the extant species.
Piss poor management- even for the .01%
So far, it's suicidal management.
What- do they think they can buy a few islands and hang out till the stench of carrion clears? Perhaps. If so, someone should save the last dozen nukes, just in case.
If Bruce is right, and they CANNOT see it, then the best and the brightest are actually the most dangerous, having superficial credibility, and they have to go, fast. Because there are a lot of less well educated (and perhaps clearer of vision) folks who get it just fine.
That's where I'm coming down.


Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Wed Mar 2nd, 2011 at 11:14:06 AM EST
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... I argue that its the predatory state, and the appearance of a coordinated managed decline is a consequence of the fact that a predatory state under these conditions will possess a declining economy, which the predators will then attempt to manage.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Mar 2nd, 2011 at 12:29:30 PM EST
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That still assumes a monolithic predator class, who are fools.
Their predation-deterioration game is now transparently a downward spiral, and some of them are free of vision enough to see it. Perhaps many.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 02:08:47 AM EST
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"Free to see it" does not, necessarily, translate to "free to act on it." Particularly when the institutions that legitimise their power are themselves in large part legitimised by their failure to act on it.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 02:35:41 AM EST
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Indeed.
I think the wit to step out of the circle exists, and has existed all along. FDR is a good example.
Granted, players like him are rare.
As well, for some this would mean that their actions would need to be Sub Rosa.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 05:13:49 AM EST
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And you still have Soros, Gates, Buffett.

Align culture with our nature. Ot else!
by ormondotvos (ormond.otvosnospamgmialcon) on Fri Mar 4th, 2011 at 11:12:24 PM EST
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the appearance of a coordinated managed decline is a consequence of the fact that a predatory state under these conditions will possess a declining economy, which the predators will then attempt to manage.

But the predators each have first allegiance to their own interest, second, to the common interests of all who are in the position to be predators. Some may even put the interests of the overall society and ecology above the interests of other predators, if my simile of them being, in effect, a cabal of pirates has validity. This means, with appropriate leadership, many could be turned against each other, just as they have, for so long, turned various segments of society lower on the money pole against one another.  

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Mar 5th, 2011 at 10:17:52 PM EST
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