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German lenders hold more than 600 billion euros of debt issued by the governments of Greece, Ireland, Portugal and the United States.
Including Italy in the PIIGS is a invention of the neoliberal anglo business press anyway.
Eurointelligence: Is Ireland Solvent (Wolfgang Münchau and Raphael Cottin, 24.11.2010)
In the long run Ireland is probably insolvent. Portugal is in a very similar position, perhaps even worse, because of structural problems that might hinder economic growth. But in the short run, the show will go on. The readiness by the other Europeans to bail out Ireland is easily explained. The exposures by EU banks to Ireland, Greece and Portugal are massive. ... Ireland is in a different league than the others. Unlike Portugal, Ireland could bring the house down, and that will still be the case, once Ireland's insolvency is fully realised and understood. A breakdown by countries shows that Germany and the UK are most exposed to Ireland, Spain to Portugal, and France to Greece. If the periphery goes, the European banking system will have its own subprime crisis - in addition to the actual subprime crisis. Where are we headed now? There will be no immediate default. Ireland, and also Portugal, will come under the umbrella of the EFSF. Spain is more solid, but also highly vulnerable to a financial market squeeze. I would expect the EU to step in should Spain come under pressure. That could be through a series of bilateral programmes, or more likely an increase in the lending ceilings of the EFSF. The likelihood of such an event would be hard to predict. I would expect Spain to be ok, but Spain, too, needs to return to some solid growth.
But in the short run, the show will go on. The readiness by the other Europeans to bail out Ireland is easily explained. The exposures by EU banks to Ireland, Greece and Portugal are massive. ...
Ireland is in a different league than the others. Unlike Portugal, Ireland could bring the house down, and that will still be the case, once Ireland's insolvency is fully realised and understood. A breakdown by countries shows that Germany and the UK are most exposed to Ireland, Spain to Portugal, and France to Greece. If the periphery goes, the European banking system will have its own subprime crisis - in addition to the actual subprime crisis.
Where are we headed now? There will be no immediate default. Ireland, and also Portugal, will come under the umbrella of the EFSF. Spain is more solid, but also highly vulnerable to a financial market squeeze. I would expect the EU to step in should Spain come under pressure. That could be through a series of bilateral programmes, or more likely an increase in the lending ceilings of the EFSF. The likelihood of such an event would be hard to predict. I would expect Spain to be ok, but Spain, too, needs to return to some solid growth.
There you go, as of the latest data available on November 24, the exposure of German banks to Ireland was of the order of 120bn. Keynesianism is intellectually hard, as evidenced by the inability of many trained economists to get it - Paul Krugman
And if we follow the money, it seems to be british-german belgian conspiracy against Ireland.
Also, most of this is Depfa/HRE anyway and this bank is already nationalised.
The fact that the German government has taken leave of its senses and bailed out German banks does not mean that Ireland has to compound the mistake by bailing out the German government. If the German government wants a bailout, the proper place to argue that is at the ECB, which controls the printing presses. The printing press is where governments go to get bailouts in normally functioning fiat monetary systems.
- Jake Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
120 bn total exposure is not the same as 120 bn exposure to government debt.
Why yes, yes it is, since Ireland took leave of its senses and bailed out their own banks, that's precisely what it is. Unless you are in the minority that believes that Ireland has a single solvent bank left with overseas liabilities. In which case I have a "competitiveness" reform to sell you.
It's this bailout that the "Irish rescue" - at usurious 5.7 % interest - is now trying to prevent from collapsing (as it should by any right).
The IFSC complicates matters, in that some of the debt might be owed to branches of German banks there, for instance.
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