Irish pushback strategy - we get mail | 305 comments (305 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Irish pushback strategy - we get mail (4.00 / 2)

The fact is all that has been done to the Irish banks is buy their bad assets at inflated prices, as well as guarantee their debt. 100 bn of ECB loans don't change that. The bondholders still have the bulk of the bonds they used to have, since the ECB has only bought about 80bn in sovereign Eurozone bonds so far.

Keynesianism is intellectually hard, as evidenced by the inability of many trained economists to get it - Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 4th, 2011 at 11:09:27 AM EST
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But isn't there replacement? The Irish banks got 100 billion or from the ECB and quite substantial sums from the Irish government. All this money has to replace some body else's money. And somebody else are the once existing private creditors.

So a default of the banks alone will not achieve much. It has to be default of the irish government.

by IM on Fri Feb 4th, 2011 at 11:34:10 AM EST
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Re: Irish pushback strategy - we get mail (4.00 / 2)

IM:

The Irish banks got 100 billion or from the ECB and quite substantial sums from the Irish government.

That's just liquidity, in exchange for those 100 billion in cash, the Irish banks have to park more than 100 billion in assets, at the ECB's own valuation, as well as pay interest.

That replaces short term lending and deposits, not bonds which are long-term liabilities.

The once existing long-term bondholders continue to be long-term bondholders. Or have traded the bonds with other private bondholders since the ECB is not known to be buying bank bonds (at least, nobody is screaming bloody murder if they're doing it: they just complain about buying government bonds).

Keynesianism is intellectually hard, as evidenced by the inability of many trained economists to get it - Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 4th, 2011 at 11:38:31 AM EST
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Irish pushback strategy - we get mail | 305 comments (305 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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