No One Expects the Spanish Revolution? | 102 comments (102 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: LQD: "Tahrir Virus" comes to Europe (4.00 / 3)

Another ElPais blog: The left commits suicide

According to Metroscopia's surveys, the fidelity of PP voters exceeds 80%.
...
The fidelity of PSOE voters barely exceeds 40%.
An important part of socialist voters consider that the suicide began when Zapatero betrayed the left ans so they prefer other options. Or abstention, because PSOE's problem is the lack of mobilization of their supporters.

The day after ZP won the elections on March 14, 2004, the cry of the youth on the street was Zapatero, no nos falles (Zapatero, don't let us down). Today, it's Zapatero nos falla y nos reprime (Zapatero lets us down and represses us).

Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 18th, 2011 at 05:15:03 PM EST

Re: LQD: "Tahrir Virus" comes to Europe (none / 0)

What about IU? Have this whole thing revived them somewhat?

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Wed May 18th, 2011 at 06:07:19 PM EST
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Re: LQD: "Tahrir Virus" comes to Europe (none / 1)

Not the protests themselves, but the whole austerity drive has given them a new lease of life.

Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 18th, 2011 at 06:22:24 PM EST
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Re: LQD: "Tahrir Virus" comes to Europe (4.00 / 3)

What is their stance towards the protesters? Are they considered by the protest movement "part of the system" or do they have some credibility...?

Here the local stalinists are disapproving of these "petty bourgeois" movements that "draw attention away from the class struggle". No. Seriously: KKE said that about Spain, quoting these people, approvingly.
The non stalinist radical left (SYRIZA antarsya to its left, some sort of maoist-trotskyite mix, and the Anarchists) however are pushing the story like crazy, mumbling things like "we're next, eh?" and admiring the fact that the protesters have managed to contain violent groups so far (?) (the MS tv stations have not said a word about these protests so far AFAIK, indicative of the sort of editorial censorship that passes for news here).

These Egyptian reactions I found moving BTW:

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Fri May 20th, 2011 at 09:06:26 AM EST
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Re: LQD: "Tahrir Virus" comes to Europe (4.00 / 2)

IU tried to coopt the movement by lodging an appeal yesterday before the Supreme court against the election commission's ban.

I think that's dangerous and counterproductive: the protesters's claim to not be politically affiliated is their stronger argument against the electoral commission ban of the protest during election day and the 24h prior. If IU associates itself with the protesters, they lose their cover of being just regular citizens.

Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 21st, 2011 at 03:33:42 AM EST
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And where are the Greens? (none / 0)

Or is that a naive question?

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Fri May 20th, 2011 at 12:47:28 PM EST
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Re: And where are the Greens? (none / 1)

Dunno.

Spanish pirates are active

Social r-evolution in Spain - #spanishrevolution

We are using piratenpad teams (thanks to PiratenPartei!), Mumble, IRC, Facebook groups, Doodle, Twitter, a simple polling application but with advanced anti-fraud non-registered-user poll system (developed by Pirates de Catalunya's CTO), etc. We use whatever tools necessary to deliver information and help in the organization and decision-making.
Catalan Pirates had been trying to engage IT usage in social movements, so we can take advantage of these resources to build flat organizations.

Doing the tech part, apparently.

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se

by A swedish kind of death on Fri May 20th, 2011 at 02:59:56 PM EST
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Re: And where are the Greens? (none / 1)

A swedish kind of death:

We are using piratenpad teams (thanks to PiratenPartei!)

Oh, hope they did not rely to heavily on them as German cops seized the servers of Piratenpartei today. See the open thread.

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se

by A swedish kind of death on Fri May 20th, 2011 at 03:03:28 PM EST
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Re: LQD: "Tahrir Virus" comes to Europe (none / 0)

I have the feeling that this will lead to the PP gaining seats, because there's either abstention or a switch to the IU.

But, the irony is that the flashpoint in Madrid is going to ignite because Aguirre and the PP suffer from delusional paranoia.

Ironic.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed May 18th, 2011 at 06:55:00 PM EST
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Re: LQD: "Tahrir Virus" comes to Europe (4.00 / 3)

This is the start of a long 2012 election campaign.

Sunday there are local and regional elections in which the PSOE will be routed. The PP will ask for early elections but there's no need.

Immediately after the elections the PSOE will have a primary to select ZP's successor. The candidates are expected to be Rubalcaba and Chacón.

Some time in the month of June I have predicted "the markets" will "attack" Spain's bonds.

Throughout this whole process I expect the protest movement to continue.

Elections are scheduled for March next year. ZP has said he has no intention to bring the election forward.

Economics is politics by other means

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 18th, 2011 at 07:04:22 PM EST
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ZP has said he has no intention to bring the election forward.

Let us hope that he is able to follow through on his intention. Given the existing direction of economic trends and the resulting pressure on the population, by trying to maximize his tenure, ZP may just succeed in providing the time and circumstances for a successor party dedicated to actually solving the problem to emerge. A lot of education needs to occur between now and then.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 18th, 2011 at 10:28:17 PM EST
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