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..utopian socialist.

Who were these? F.Engels called "utopians" those who demanded reforms. Who had beliefs in mixed economy. He himself wanted total capitulation of markets without having not what so ever clue, how capital is allocated in the "dream" society.

Who was the utopian? Old leftist double speak and still no one in the left wants to be an "utopian." They are a hopeless case.

by kjr63 on Sun May 29th, 2011 at 11:55:57 AM EST
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It is a broad (and from its origins pejorative) term for the pre-Marx and/or anti-Marx socialists.

My thoughts mainly went to the attemtps at communities to realise an alternative outside the realm of state power. But there is probably a lot more that has been downplayed by later socialists when the soc-dem/commie split became the major focal point.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun May 29th, 2011 at 03:00:26 PM EST
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I made the argument, following Polanyi, that the biggest Utopian experiment ever conducted was the implementation of Classical Economics in England in the 19th century. See WHO Are The Utopians? After all, based primarily on theory, the Classical Economists managed, with the not too surprising support of business, to convince politicians to totally restructure laws to make the society subservient to the economy -- a first in human history. In many ways this was more radical than what the Jacobins attempted in 18th Century France, and it largely succeeded. That success is the great grandfather of TINA!

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by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jun 13th, 2011 at 12:48:00 AM EST
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