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Quite: these kind of HSR commuters may be important relative to the local economy of the town near the HSR station, but they are a drop in the bucket as far as the total Paris commute goes.

And since they promote clustering, by preferentially using local facilities convenient to the HSR, that is intrinsically anti-sprawl.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jun 2nd, 2011 at 01:04:29 PM EST
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2-hour commutes are a drop in the bucket even relative to total HSR traffic.

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by DoDo on Thu Jun 2nd, 2011 at 01:12:08 PM EST
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... I said anything about a two hour commute as typical, though 1.5 hr commutes are far too common in many larger sprawl dominated metro areas. More likely to attract a commute portion of trips are one hr and less, and since they will be priced primarily to fill up seats left empty by debarking before the major job center, they are naturally limited.

More important in terms of spatial organization are when satellite facilities can be placed outside the core of a headquarters agglomeration ~ eg, location of back office and production facilities in support of Silicon Valley firms in California in the Central Valley of California, accessed via HSR, rather than in the Pacific Northwest, accessed by air.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jun 2nd, 2011 at 02:25:39 PM EST
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Two hours were in Jace's original comment as the limit for commuting, and I replied with the Paris-Lyon example to argue that no, the two-hour travel times by HSR aren't commuter territory.

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by DoDo on Fri Jun 3rd, 2011 at 04:13:17 PM EST
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