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Elaborate, please. I have some of the same feelings.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 04:37:37 AM EST
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it may just be me - I find that seeing the train to Dachau in the munich subway is disconcerting. But a perfectly nice young guy who has been involved in some projects with us before, was trying to get me to invest (and I'm no investor) in a business plan in which we would have taken all the risks explained to me that he knew that jews like me were very tight with money.   And the italian waiter in the restaurant who when asked how he liked being in Munchen said "my grandmother warned me to get out before I get a tatoo like she got and I'm thinking it will be soon". And I walked by the Synagogue which looks like a tomb. Hard not to get creepy feelings in Germany, but somehow more recently.
 
by rootless2 on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 10:05:06 AM EST
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I can't comment much regarding München, but in the various places i've been i haven't been aware of post Nazi bigotry.

OTOH, i've experienced all manner of bigotry against cultures or races everywhere i've been, like against Asians or Hispanics in Frisco, or against natives in Lima or Merida, or against Turks in Remscheid, , or against straight people in Woodstock, or against Scheiss HSV in Bremen.

I can't deny there aren't pockets of spooky bigotry remaining in "Schland," or just about anywhere for that matter. But every street i walk on here in Bremen has little brass sidewalk plaques embedded, noting where Jews were taken from the houses here. (and i think with the names?)

so there's got to be bigoted exceptions, but my general feeling is Germany has made a huge effort to get past the past. Despite der Bild. And the synagogue in Berlin is lit up at night.

PS. HSV is reputedly a football club originating in the nearby city of Hamburg, though you couldn't convince me. Though to be fair, they got far more points than Bremen this year.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 04:15:24 PM EST
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And the synagogue in Berlin is lit up at night

And has a plaque honouring the German policeman who called the fire brigade on Kristallnacht.

But as far as Munich is concerned, the Jewish community is something else. When I lived in Munich, I though of joining, but they insisted on proof that I was Jewish, such as my mother's Ketubah, to be approved by the Rabbi. This, despite the fact that the conversation was in Hebrew, and I didn't have anything more to do with them. I gather that this doesn't happen elsewhere in Germany.

As for rootless2 finding a S-Bahn station called Dachau disconcerting, imagine what I felt when seeing a German bus with DAH plates while walking early in the morning from Jersey City to Hoboken....

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue May 10th, 2011 at 04:55:32 PM EST
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Interesting. And -yes, I can imagine that plate wouyld be pretty chilling.

The problem of the paradox of the rather hermetic Jewish culture, with it's frequent intellectual richness and openness, and the predictable result of resentment at it's closed success, remains.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri May 13th, 2011 at 03:21:31 AM EST
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