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For Ireland (a small economy) the move from the Punt to the Euro was critical in preventing:

  1. Ruinous interest rates (15%) largely driven by unreal perceptions of the Irish economy by important foreign actors

  2. Extreme fluctuations in exchange rates - largely driven by large financial speculators gaming the system for personal gain

  3. A decline in business investment - driven by the twin uncertainties above - individual businesses crave interest and currency stability as it improves predictability, planning and budgeting and reduces uncertainty over external factors over which businesses have no control - exchange and interest rates.

The Euro had a hugely positive impact on economic growth and investment by reducing those uncertainties and the ability of third parties to game them.  The major downside of the Euro has been inappropriate interest rates and a Eurowide failure of bank regulation.

For a small economy like Ireland to go back to its own currency would be an invitation to global capital to basically take over the country as no Government/Central bank would be in a position to control the speculators...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 12th, 2011 at 12:43:54 PM EST
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The aggregate amount of money floating around in the world is more than enough to buy Ireland in the morning, short Italy in the afternoon, and hedge Spain in over night trading.

Any attempt to solve the euro crisis has to keep that in mind.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Mon Sep 12th, 2011 at 12:53:05 PM EST
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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 12th, 2011 at 01:12:22 PM EST
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And that would be wrong. Any government and central bank that so desires can control the speculators. As the Swiss are proving as you read this.

To your specific points:

  1. The risk-free interest rate of domestic currency is determined by the central bank. Full stop. If "the markets" disagree, then "the markets" are perfectly free to attempt to stage a run on an entity that is solvent by fiat. Pulling off a short squeeze on some speculator who doesn't understand the monetary system is loads of fun.

  2. The central bank can always prevent the currency from appreciating. The central bank cannot prevent the currency from depreciating, but the central bank can procure sufficient hard currency in the open market (during those times when the currency is not under attack) to permit it to discharge the country's hard currency obligations and offer currency swaps to finance strategically important imports for 12-18 months.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Sep 12th, 2011 at 01:19:59 PM EST
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That all implies a level of confidence and competence and an appetite for risk which we have never had in this country at official level.  I would venture to suggest that Switzerland/Singapore etc. are exceptions to the rule that relatively small entities cannot control their own destiny within global capitalism -  and they do it by sucking up to global capitalists big time. Remember that a global speculator only has to be right once to make a killing.  If a local central bank administrator gets it wrong once he is out iof a job probably permanently. Their is an asymmetry of risk aversion between speculators and regulators...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 12th, 2011 at 04:12:52 PM EST
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That all implies a level of confidence and competence and an appetite for risk which we have never had in this country at official level.

Confidence, yes. Competence, I hope. Risk? No, the whole point of this operation is to make sure you run no risk of getting into a fight with the markets that you can't win decisively. If Soros and his friends even have a sporting chance then You're Doing It Wrong.

The very problem with pledging to unilaterally defend a fixed exchange rate (which is effectively what you're doing when you're entering a fixed-rate regime with the D-Mark, since the BuBa is completely unwilling to live up to its end of the deal) is that you commit yourself to fights where the other guy has a fair chance of winning. Fights with speculators should be totally unfair in your favour. You print the money, and you decide how much of your money they get to borrow. If you can't win with that sort of home-field advantage, you really deserve to lose.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Sep 12th, 2011 at 04:30:59 PM EST
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So you are advocating that Ireland and all other "peripheral" states leave the Euro?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 12th, 2011 at 04:33:35 PM EST
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Yes and no.

Most of the peripherals have no business, economically speaking, being in a currency union (or any other sort of fixed-rate regime) with Germany, Austria and the Netherlands. Ireland is different, because it has a structural internal current accounts surplus. But for various reasons of historical accident, Ireland is getting shafted. And there comes a point when one must weigh the cost of leaving the Eurozone against the cost of getting shafted for the benefit of Societé Generel and Joseph Ackerman's Christmas bonus.

My gut feeling is that Ireland is approaching the point where it might make sense to just say "fuck it" and issue scrip. But where you fall on that trade-off depends on how you value the future relative to the present, and that is fundamentally a political decision that I, as a foreigner, have no business making for Ireland.

And of course that's only the economics. It is possible to attach political value to the continued existence of the Euro, and be willing to pay an economic price for keeping this political value. Again, that's a political decision that I can't make for the Irish electorate. Though I do note in passing that aforementioned economic price is, under current institutional arrangements, borne disproportionally by the less well off.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Sep 12th, 2011 at 05:02:30 PM EST
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