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Maginot lines...

If there is war cities need walls, so do states. Or dreams of global entities...

All interesting things were thought in city states in ancient Greece...

Democracy invented there...

by cagatacos on Mon Sep 26th, 2011 at 05:04:13 PM EST
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If there is war cities need walls, so do states.

States need walls?... Never mind that, if there is war, there is conquest.

All interesting things were thought in city states in ancient Greece...

And then the city-sates kept attempting conquering each other until all were conquered by Rome. And before that, they spawned a short-lived emperor who reached as far as India.

Meanwhile, students of Chinese history will swear that all interesting thoughts arose there, in what were de-facto nation states and then a single empire.

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by DoDo on Mon Sep 26th, 2011 at 05:12:34 PM EST
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I always thought that Athens had a good pr job about having invented democracy.

It was hardly one person one vote. It began as more of a committee of oligarchs; the vote was widened to property owning farmers simply for factional purposes. But at no point could one say that even the majority of men in athens had the vote, let alone the population.

Who had the first democracy ? France or the USA, I suspect the English only started lauding Greece to deflect the credit away from rivals.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Sep 26th, 2011 at 05:17:51 PM EST
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Wasn't this a Renaissance idea?

In other words, there was no Greece when the emphasis on classical Athens took hold in Europe. so it couldn't be Athens and Greece who were doing the PR.

Nonetheless, it may have been scholars such as Marcus Musurus who laid the groundwork for the rediscovery of the classics prior to the Renaissance. He was Greek.

by Upstate NY on Tue Sep 27th, 2011 at 02:27:13 PM EST
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The Renaissance had lots of Greek thinkers, exiles from the fallen Byzantium to the cities of northern Italy. We should not neglect Romes role in the PR either as Rome created an idealised Greece that it had inherited.

But there is a thruth to Athens PR too, as Athens had lots of written material from its thinkers, it tended to survive better then the oral traditions Plato claimed was supreme to the lazy written word.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Sep 27th, 2011 at 02:49:40 PM EST
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No city-state has ever produced the equipment required for a modern hospital, let alone an experimental physics lab.

"All interesting ideas" may be going a bridge too far, unless you have a very nonstandard definition of "interesting."

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Sep 27th, 2011 at 04:07:26 AM EST
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