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the electronic media is just another media after copper-wire telephone and letters, and doesn't yet make people idiots.

In a way it does...being at the museum and texting instead of enjoying art is kind of idiotic, just for example...Point is not that texting is wrong but what is wrong is that especially young people are totally dependent and "hypnotized" to the point that they are absent from real word.

After the one-way communication of TV, public discourse now fragments into several isolated communities of like-minded people who build develop their own biased worldviews.

Yeah...like here on ET, haha...where very often different opinions are castigated by marking them "conservative" and there for not worthy...
Problems you see are all real...

by vbo on Tue Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:06:33 PM EST
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How do you know people aren't enjoying art online?

With Wikipedia, Etsy, DeviantArt, Folksy, RedBubble, and many, many more, there's a lot more art and art history online than in any physical museum or gallery.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Nov 14th, 2012 at 07:13:36 AM EST
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I do not know but hey this is a real thing in front of your eyes and you turn your back to it and go on line...
by vbo on Wed Nov 14th, 2012 at 07:36:47 AM EST
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I wish the people going to the Louvre would spend their time texting, instead of looking at the art briefly and then photographing it with their flash cameras.....
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Nov 14th, 2012 at 07:46:55 AM EST
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That was a disturbing photo, but I can't tell you how many times (because I love to visit art museums and other kinds, too) I've seen people following their parents or teachers or friends or WHOMEVER through a museum with a total lack of interest.  I'd like to pretend to myself that those gals were checking links to the next museum they were going to visit to get directions, times, prices, etc.

Over half the visitors to our home this year have been people we've met through the internet and would not have otherwise met. That fact simply floors me.

P.S. When are YOU comin' for visit, vbo? We'd love to meet you in person. And thanks again for all your photos.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher

by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Wed Nov 14th, 2012 at 10:06:05 AM EST
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When are YOU comin' for visit, vbo? We'd love to meet you in person. And thanks again for all your photos.

Thank you for inviting me and I would love to meet in person but I come to Europe every few years and I usually wonder a bit around western Europe prior to coming to Serbia or on my way back to Australia. This year I have been there but I did not have enough time to wonder and my flight was for the first time direct Dubai - Belgrade , so I ended up visiting just Serbia.
I will remember your invitation next time I come to Europe. Thank you again.

by vbo on Wed Nov 14th, 2012 at 06:00:54 PM EST
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texting instead of enjoying art is kind of idiotic

But the prior standard teen behaviour at a museum: being there against one's will and playing bored, or, worse, disturbing other visitors by talking with friends is no less idiotic; and, to get back into context, enjoying art isn't normal human interaction (as per the Einstein quote). This is more a reflection of the inward-looking tendency of society I spoke about (well art as a medium between artist and viewer is part of that, too, but less direct). However, I can certainly see a tendency of people communicating experiences over taking that experience in, in particular when recording is involved. For example, it's weird when the front rows of a concert are filled with people so busy taking a video with their phones for the friends that they won't... dance.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Nov 14th, 2012 at 12:56:13 PM EST
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I always found it interesting that museums didn't appear as public spaces until the secular revolution started to threaten churches.

But modern reality is that digital culture is ubiquitous and history of any kind is a minority interest.

Then again it probably always was, except for a small minority of curious dilettantes and future empire builders.

Although it's easy to find teens who have no idea who the Beatles were, it's more astounding to me that the culture of the lates 60s to late 90s has been so persistent, and is still being rediscovered and enjoyed.

The decades before that don't seem to have been either as popular or historically sticky, and the only teens who know anything at all about pre-20th century history and culture are the small minority who are rich and pampered or have parents who are aggressively aspirational and middle class.

At the same time there's a new code culture with teens and students making their own art with tools like Processing, Scratch, PureData, and others - and when they grow up they move into mobile development and/or web design.

Some of them build real stuff out of real hardware too.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Nov 14th, 2012 at 01:55:39 PM EST
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