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I still think that between the Savile scandal, the hacking scandal, and the Tory paedophile/murderer scandal there's a not-so covert media war happening between the horrible people on Team Tabloid and the equally horrible people on Team Westminster - with various previous and current horrible people on Team BBC caught in the middle.

True motivations and likely outcomes remain opaque to me. But I wonder if Team Tabloid are hinting at further revelations to put pressure on Team Westminster to pull Leveson's teeth and let Rebekah and Coulson etc off the hook - never mind avoiding further action against possible interviewees higher up the food chain.

I continue to be bemused that the whole mess is in danger of spinning (sic) out of control from its own momentum, and that - if we're lucky - Team Tabloid and Team Westminster will take each other down, possibly doing serious damage to Team Royal, Team Plod, Team City and perhaps even Team Millbank along the way.


Interesting times. (I know I keep saying that, but it happens to be true.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 06:46:14 AM EST
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the Tory paedophile/murderer scandal

Oh, come on, you're making that up.
No one called Blair a paedophile.
by Number 6 on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 06:53:41 AM EST
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oh theres conspiracy theorists out there thinking that, but at the moment far more leaning towards a Thatcher based coverup.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 07:09:23 AM EST
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there was a time last week where it seemed that Teams tabloid and Westminster might gang up on Team BBC over Savile so that they could bury the implications of Leveson under a long running inquiry of their shared hate object.

However, it seems that the moment has been lost as the Savile thing is now so widespread and looking into dark corners of government such as the non-inquiry in welsh children's homes etc, etc and etc again that we are now seeing the whole edifice of the Establishment mutual support structure beginning to, if not crumble, at least look decidedly shaky.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 07:44:21 AM EST
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The role of the BBC re Savile was monstruously hyped, and I say that without sympathy for the Beeb.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 09:00:43 AM EST
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If by monstrously hyped you mean they gave him an almost endless series of high profile media front person jobs because he was 'box office', possibly.

The question is whether managers were discouraged from too much questioning because he was box office, or because of other reasons.

It would be a win for Team Westminster to persuade everyone that the nastiness is specific to luvvies and entertainers and it's all our own fault for liking crude and saucy people - as some hack at the LRB (I think) argued a few weeks back.

The more difficult questions - the close links with royalty and two prime ministers, the freedom of Broadmoor and various hospitals, the fact that he was only civilian to be awarded a green beret by the Marines, the fact that he was very friendly with Peter Sutcliffe and one of Sutcliffe's murders happened within a hundred yards of Savile's flat in Leeds - are perhaps less likely to be given the attention they deserve.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 09:54:51 AM EST
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I mean the sheer amount of BBC BBC BBC in media accounts since the story broke. Savile wasn't just a BBC figure, as you point out.  
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 11:34:50 AM EST
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Tory paedophile/murderer scandal

I read the BBC story you linked to about child abuse and I didn't see anything about murder. What are we talking about, exactly?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 09:49:17 AM EST
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The Messham story is one of many persistent rumours linking organised child abuse with snuff porn at various children's homes around the UK, most famously in Wales - which is the current focus - and Jersey (Haut de la Garenne) which seems to have been whitewashed.

It's difficult to work out what the truth is, but given that the allegations of paedophilia seemed like ridiculous paranoia ten years ago, and given that there's no money in it for the victims - at least not according to their solicitors - and also that Tom Watson, the MP in the YouTube clip I posted last week, has posted he's worried about his own safety, it's not unreasonable to ask for a formal investigation to try to find out just what was going on.

There's also the Dutroux story in Belgium which is possibly somewhat similar, and further allegations from Luxembourg.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Nov 5th, 2012 at 10:01:02 AM EST
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