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Gideon Rachman: The time bomb no one can defuse (FT, April 2, 2012)
There was always a group of top German economists - call them the Bundesbank tendency - who had deep misgivings about the whole single currency project. Now some of these German sceptics believe their concerns are being vindicated and are even suggesting that - despite the current calm in the markets - Greece may have to leave the euro within months.

One scenario doing the rounds in Frankfurt and Berlin is that the crisis could be provoked by the Greek elections, which are likely to be held in early May. A new Greek government might seek to unpick the latest debt deal, provoking a chain of events leading to Greece leaving the euro. Technically, it is said that this would involve the sudden declaration of a temporary bank holiday, during which all euro-notes in Greek banks are stamped, to show that they are being reissued as drachmas. One obvious danger is that - as soon as this step was announced - there would be bank-runs in other vulnerable euro-area countries such as Portugal, as anxious account-holders rushed to move their money out of the country. This would be counteracted by the provision of massive emergency liquidity from the European Central Bank to financial institutions in vulnerable countries.

Doubtless, there are many flaws in this plan. But the very fact that such stark scenarios are doing the rounds in Germany may help to account for Chancellor Angela Merkel's recent decision to give interviews proclaiming her belief in Greece staying inside the euro and suggesting that the single currency's break-up would be a political disaster for Europe.



guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 03:42:51 PM EST
But, if Syriza is leading the coalition, then surely Greece would not elect to leave the euro.

A more likely scenario is that, no matter who is in power, there will be no new austerity measures enacted, and this will lead to the great displeasure of the troika.

How will the troika voice that displeasure (besides making references to pacts in Latin and the need to do one's homework)?

by Upstate NY on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 03:46:42 PM EST
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They're sort of in a pickle there, because short of sending a gunboat to the Aegean there's not a whole Hell of a lot they can do that they're not doing already.

Cut off fuel imports, perhaps. Maybe. Unless Russia or China want to dip their toes in the Aegean Sea.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 03:52:00 PM EST
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Germany could threaten not to lend Greece anymore money which would force Greece into (effective) bankruptcy and halt payments to German banks.

:-)

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 04:00:14 PM EST
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It would be a halt of payments to the ECB and EFSF really.

Private banks are now sub-20% of total Greek debt.

Greece has been flipping back and forth between a primary surplus and a small (.5%) primary deficit the last several quarters. At last announcement I read that they were a couple hundred million in deficit. Again, around .5%. So, after being cutoff, they could presumably hold on and wait a while to see what the reactions would be. After all, they were cut off once before already. They surprised some in the troika by holding off for several months (did they dip into reserves?). One thing that's different this time is that new leadership might not make any payments on debt which would put them in arrears and as well afoul of EU regulations.

by Upstate NY on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 04:18:18 PM EST
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(Note the emoticon.)

It would be a halt of payments to the ECB and EFSF really.

And anybody should care about that ... why?

One thing that's different this time is that new leadership might not make any payments on debt which would put them in arrears and as well afoul of EU regulations.

Austerians are losing their ability to control events.  When the PIIGS have been joined by Netherlands and - I hope - France in chanting, "We're Not Going to Take It!" the preponderance of power within the EU has shifted and re-writing the regulations becomes possible

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 04:54:02 PM EST
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They certainly can threaten to stop any liquidity to Greece, collapsing all Greek banks.... and this is, I think, the threat the Greeks would receive.

So... if the election turn out as good as they might seem now, no austerity but all greek banks going under... what is the next step? out of the euro?... I guess.. or what? A country without banks nor savings... that would be interesting to see.

Am I wrong?

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 05:19:10 PM EST
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Once out of the Euro, they would be free to recapitalise their banks with newly printed money. Or by telling their creditors that it's just too bad to be the creditor of an insolvent institution.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 05:26:40 PM EST
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Absolutely.. that's why I can not imagine  the EBC implenting the threat as any other thing that the signal that Greece is out of the euro...

I guess your answer is implicit. :) I am right.. there is no way Greece can stay in the euro without any bank. They need an immediate capitalization.. adn for this (if the ECB doe snot provide it) they must do it with local currency.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 05:31:20 PM EST
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There is no way that Greece can remain in the Euro as currently constituted.

Of course neither can Germany remain in the Euro as currently constituted, because the Euro as currently constituted is built to fail.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 05:44:49 PM EST
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And is increasingly visibly doing what it was built to do and, unfortunately, taking maximum casualties with it. The sooner this process is ended the better for all.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon May 7th, 2012 at 01:10:19 AM EST
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If they do the German government will rip a $23 billion hole in the Balance Sheets of German banks and $7.43 billion in exports.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 05:55:30 PM EST
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officium est servandum
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 03:57:13 PM EST
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Then Germany will have to bail-out its banks directly instead of using Greece, Portugal, Spain, etc. as pass-through entities, price of imported foodstuffs will increase, and Germany will be politically isolated as the destroyer of Europe.

As of right now, I don't see it.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 03:53:42 PM EST
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As a deliberate plan? No.

As an unintended consequence of the internal contradictions of German domestic policy? I would need really tall odds to bet money one way or the other.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 03:58:43 PM EST
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There is that.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 04:07:18 PM EST
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All of the scenarios in this subthread would require a Greek government with the balls to suspend free movement of capital and people with the rest of the EU.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 05:12:01 PM EST
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I'm not sure about this. again, the ball is in the EU's court.

It would be a gamble.

No new austerity measures will be passed. That's all that needs to happen.

Then the EU decides what to do. Any move that undercuts the Greek banking system or any other such measures will be interpreted everywhere as a forceful push outside of the euro (which then, yes, will be followed by a Greek decision, as to whether they should capitulate, or move on). But no one enters into the gambit without anticipating these events.

by Upstate NY on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 05:26:37 PM EST
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Absolutely.

I think you write down my view better than myself...

But since everybody expects the other to follow a predictive path then, probably, no timplementing any austerity measure can be seen as the signal of Greece leaving the euro.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 05:33:08 PM EST
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If Greece is kicked out of the Euro, the other dominoes will follow. The question is where the buck stops for Germany. Back in 1992, it stopped at France but not at Italy or, more predictably, Britain. Today, it might still stop at France, but not at Portugal, Ireland, Spain or Italy.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 06:24:59 PM EST
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The Euro is unlikely to survive successively immiserating and then jettisoning Portugal, Spain and Italy.

That process will make it too obvious to too many people both that the Euro is a project of, by and for Germany and that there is perfectly viable growth path outside the Eurozone.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 06:32:37 PM EST
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So, then, maybe the buck stops with Spain and Italy this time around.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 06:54:42 PM EST
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That depends on whether Germany shares the above analysis. It is possible that they have bought into their own propaganda. Or, what comes to the same thing, find it impolitic to go against the racist rhetoric they have encouraged.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 07:14:06 PM EST
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Italy can survive, I think, as they have a primary surplus, and the ECB is both able and willing to push Italian rates down as long as Italy can keep a balanced budget, which it can.

Spain is the big problem, and the Eurozone and Union will live or die with the fate of Spain. Where is El Cid when we need him?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 09:05:25 AM EST
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I should have said eventually, obviously Greece is not going to suspend/restrict the application of the single market as its opening salvo but in reaction to some hostile EU action.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 06:28:16 PM EST
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