Greece election day II - Election diary and info | 129 comments (129 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Scorecard (4.00 / 8)

New Democracy: ... They will be blissful if the approach or surpass 30%, seem more likely to get 24-27%, will have serious prblems if they fall under 23%.

So very serious problems.

PASOK. .. Anything over 20% (they had 44% in 2009) will be greeted with relief and joy by Venizelos. Anything under 16% as a disaster, especially if they lose second place as rumoured possible.

Disaster it is.

SYRIZA. ... anything over 13% is a triumph, anything in double digits good, and below that a disaster.

Triumph, shining!

KKE. ... Anything over 11% is a triumph for the party, anything below 9 a defeat

Defeat.

LAOS. ... If they enter parliament they will throw a party. If they don't they will disintegrate

Looks like they can disintegrate.

Chryssi Avgi (Golden Dawn) Nazis. ... They will be happy to enter parliament however and its likely that they will

The fuckers are in.

Anexartiti Ellines. ... Will be happy with anything over 9%. Anything lower than 5% will be a defeat.

Are happy in the end.

Democratic Left: ... Will be very content with anything over 7%, Ok with !5-7%.

They are OK I guess.

Democratiki Symmakhia (democratic alliance): ... They are one of the crutches that the two parties can use if they can't form a government by themselves. If she enters parliament. If she doesn't make it to parliament the party will be annihilated.

Annihilated.

Drasi - Liberal Alliance: ... Might win the intra-liberal war, and just might, make it to parliament. In which case Manos might end up as a Prime Minister in a coalition government

No PM post for Mr. Manos.

Ecologist - Greens: ... They will be delighted with anything over 4% But making it into Greek parliament for the first time would probably be OK

Not OK, apparently. Anti-troika voters lost; though more pro-troika votes were wasted on the liberals.

ANTARSYA. ... They will probably pass the 1% limit for the first time ever for a grouping of the extreme left in Greece. Anything over 2% would be a triumph though...

Apparently not?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 07:01:22 PM EST

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Looking at the Interior Ministry's map, PASOK was biggest party only in Crete and a province close to the Turkish border, while SYRIZA won in the centre and a couple of other places. ND's majority came from most of the rural areas. KKE won on an island.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 07:05:05 PM EST
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PASOK had something like 60% in the three prefectures of Crete in 2009 it is now winning, and it has dropped to something like a third of its vote now. The prefecture of Rodopi in Thrace was won by PASOK because there was a strong muslim minority candidate (50% in the prefecture). Syriza won neighboring Xanthi for the same reason...

The "center" that Syriza won is Athens, the Athens Basin area, and the exurbs and industrial towns (not to mention slums) surrounding Athens (heavy industry also is concentrated in the other two pink prefecture in the center, Boetia and the island of Evia). This is a big deal. It won across the board in Athens in all parts of town and the conglomeration except the richest. The little dot it won in Northern Greece is the Thessaloniki Metropolitan area. Between Athens and Thessaloniki, that's over half the population of Greece. It also won in the area in the Northern Peloponnese (Akhaia) where the third largest city in Greece is situated (Patras) and which is a deindustrialized city, in depression well before the current crisis. So Syriza won in the three largest cities in Greece.

KKE won in Samos- basically it won ~50% in the neighboring island of Ikaria, a Very Red island, populated by mostly crazy people (crazy in a nice way), which totalled something like >70% for the hard and harder left. That was enough to win the single seat.

Contrast and compare with 2009

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by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 09:37:04 PM EST
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How do people vote on Aegina (small island off Athens in the Saronic Gulf) and Agistri (even smaller island next to Aegina)? I have friends on Agistri, so I'm a bit curious. :)

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by Starvid on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 09:11:49 AM EST
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Aigina
Agistri (Apparently the Nazis there are tied at first place with New Democracy)

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by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 12:42:30 PM EST
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Awesome. The Mediterranean vacation paradise island, located in a sea where you actually feel you are in the cradle of democracy and Western civilization as the sun sets where the land falls at Corinth, has now been turned into a pseudo-Nazi stronghold.

Thank you ECB! I'll remember to wear my swastika t-shirt at my next visit!

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by Starvid on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 05:51:04 PM EST
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Oh, and by the way.

"The rise in political extremism in Europe," writes Financial Times columnist Wolfgang Munchau, "is in part the consequence of stubbornness and stupidity among centrist elites."

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by Starvid on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 05:55:53 PM EST
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European Tribune: Get your news two weeks early.

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 06:05:19 PM EST
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Ehm... about Corinth? It was the prefecture / voting district with the highest percentage of Nazi voters in Greece...

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by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 09:15:53 PM EST
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And BTW, if you go there regularly and they know you? Don't. Let them know why you won't. It's about time that some people realize that when your island votes Nazi, this has the result of people avoiding your island and your business. Aigina at least had the Nazis running sixth...

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Wed May 9th, 2012 at 09:27:13 PM EST
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My friends who live there are actually Swedes, and I don't think they are going anywhere. They've owned a house on Agistri for about 20 years, and spend basically half the year living there.

You know, things would work much better in Europe economically speaking, if a million Germans followed their lead. ;)

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by Starvid on Thu May 10th, 2012 at 05:35:58 AM EST
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And the pro-austerity coalition has a majority of two seats. I wonder how long that will last?

by IdiotSavant on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 07:15:20 PM EST
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And now one.

Who gets to be government if Parliament is split 50:50?

by IdiotSavant on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 07:43:51 PM EST
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And only one PASOK defector is needed.

by rootless2 on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 08:00:30 PM EST
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And now none. It's officially a hung parliament, with 150 for the quislings and 150 against.

by IdiotSavant on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 08:39:58 PM EST
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Projections are for 149. They will try - in increasing order of desperateness: a. To cut a deal with DEM.AR conceivably offering Fotis Kouvelis, the prime-ministerial seat b. Cut a deal with Kammenos c. Entice or bribe MPs from these two parties to support a government d. Fall on their knees to beg SYRIZA to enter some sort of government.

Or they can call for elections again under new management and line-up.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 09:10:08 PM EST
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Will they bring in the Nazis?

by rootless2 on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 09:19:16 PM EST
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No, everyone agreed that the Nazis are untouchable

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by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 09:37:51 PM EST
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good

by rootless2 on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 09:43:54 PM EST
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And its done. Quislings 149, everyone else 151. No majority for austerity, and good riddance to it.

by IdiotSavant on Sun May 6th, 2012 at 11:21:08 PM EST
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If I read correctly ANTARSYA got 1,19%. What does extreme left mean in this context?

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon May 7th, 2012 at 01:20:57 AM EST
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Greece election day II - Election diary and info | 129 comments (129 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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