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If we think a collapse is coming...

I think a collapse of the existing system of financial capitalism is more likely than that it will survive for another decade or two, and, should it manage to survive more than two more decades, it will, more likely than not, have ensured environmental collapse by preventing effective response to ongoing damage. I am not likely to live much longer than that. But we all should have a concern for future generations.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Aug 4th, 2012 at 05:08:08 PM EST
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I don't think you understand my point. It is that, if you have no strategy at all for revolution, then don't quote Lenin saying "the worse the better".
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 03:36:27 AM EST
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Which comes off as: "If you don't have a complete plan to bring off a revolution don't even discuss the possibility or likelihood of one." But there are many reasons for such a discussion, not least to guard against just that sort of revolution. With Lenin the dictum was both an observation and a strategy. Whatever the merits and consequences of such a strategy the observation had merit.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 10:09:09 AM EST
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ARGeezer:
Which comes off as: "If you don't have a complete plan to bring off a revolution don't even discuss the possibility or likelihood of one."

No, it doesn't. What I said has nothing to do with your straw-built extension of it.

You were not discussing revolution. You just made a throwaway comment about Lenin's "worse is better". To which I objected, as I explained, because the worst is not to be wished.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 5th, 2012 at 12:26:09 PM EST
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I was commenting on the present prospects for meaningful change, which I see as pretty bleak, as would be the case were the only hope to lie in 'the worse, the better'. But that is apparently not what you read, even after I explicitly agreed that there was not much hope in that statement.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Aug 6th, 2012 at 08:26:15 AM EST
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